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Progers, I wold have you (besides the embroidered sute), bring me a plaine riding suite, with an innocente coate, the suites I have for horsebacke being so spotted and spoiled that they are not to be seene out of this island."Charles R. to Progers, in Grammont's Memoirs, Bohn's ed. p. 381, note 130.
The editor, Sir Walter Scott, takes innocente coate to mean mourning coate, Charles wearing the mourning for his father. Does it not seem rather to have been a clean, spotless coat, which he wanted his faithful Progers to send him? If there is no authority more clear for reading innocent mourning, extant, I incline to read from the old dictionaries innocent spotless.
J. D. CAMPBELL.
A HINT TO EXTRACTORS. - Copying old spelling is very slow work: and not easily done, as the copier is apt to forget himself; or to remember himself, if you please. First make the extract in our spelling, at your ordinary speed. Then go over it with a pencil or red ink, or something distinctive, and turn new into old, from your original. By this you will more correctly follow your author, and the printer will more correctly follow you; and both will save time.
A. DE MORGAN.
MUTILATION OF SEPULCHRAL MONUMENTS.-I wish to record one of the most disgraceful instances of this abominable practice, which some time ago came under my notice. Its audacity makes it the more remarkable. The chancel of Stapleford church, Cambridgeshire, was some few years since (as it is commonly called) restored, and amongst other repairs the floor was relaid. A board affixed to the wall bears the following inscription:"Beneath the flooring of this Chancel lie some Monumental Slabs, with inscriptions on them, of which the following are copies:— A. D. 1699.
Arthur Joscelin, Senior, was buried June 13th,
Jane the Daughter of Arthur Joscelyne, Esq., and Ann his Wife, was Buried, March ye 5th, 1732.
Sept. 2. Ann Joscelyne, Widdow of Arthur Joscelyne, Esq., was Buried, 1732."
I believe the Dean and Chapter of Ely paid for the said restoration. XP.
GREEK PROVERB. - Aristotle, in his Politics (book viii. chap. ii. sec. 12, 13, ed. Congreve), illustrate his assertion, that tyrants are fond of quotes the proverb, λ & λos. He uses it to bad men: "Tovnpópiλov Tupavvis:" for, he goes on to say, " χρήσιμοι οἱ πονηροὶ εἰς τὰ πονηρά· ἥλῳ γὰρ ὁ ῆλος, ὥσπερ ἡ παροιμία. Mr. Congreve, in his note, translates this, "for one nail drives out another;" as though it were an abbreviation of the proverb quoted by Liddell, Giles, &c.: “ŏaaœ ἥλῳ ἐκκρούειν τὸν ἥλον.” It would seem to correspond to our English saying, "Pin to pin;" as
e. g. Bloomfield's "Richard and Kate":— "As like him, ay, as pin to pin."
Mr. Walford, in his translation, renders it by "Like to like, as the proverb says," and alludes to Eustathius. I shall be glad of any examples of this saying in Greek authors. While on the subject of Aristotle, I would remark that he is "the philosopher" sought after (3rd S. ii. 408) as calling Death "that terrible of terribles." The passage occurs in Eth. Nicom., book iii. cap. 9, sec. 6; where, treating of the 'Avdpeios, he says:“ Οὐθεὶς γὰρ ὑπομενετικώτερος τῶν δεινῶν. Φοβερώτατον δ' ὁ Θάνατος.”
W. BOWEN ROWLANDS.
EDWARD HARLEY, 2ND EARL OF OXFORD.-On the death of this noble patron of literature, Vertue was employed by his countess to make a catalogue of all the pictures and portraits in all styles left
by the earl in his several mansions, and of his
BUFF.-Using the common word buff (the colour) the other day, I was asked what I meant by it? I replied, a yellowish-brown, the colour of leather shooting-gaiters; but was told I was wrong, and that the colour buff is the palest yellow, without any admixture whatever of brown; and, in fact, more like a washed-out primrose than anything else; I supported my side of the question by a reference to Hudibras, canto i. 287:
"His doublet was of sturdy buff,"
blind to some colour; and on this particular colour nearly fifty per cent. differ.
What regiment is called "The Buffs?" and why? I have heard that in the Peninsula their clothes were so worn out with service, that they had to wear buff, i. e. leather. Is this true?* JOHN DAVIDSON.
SIR WALTER CHUTE. - He was living in 1604, and seems to have been of a Kentish family. Where can I find any account of him? CPL.
CONTRACTS: A per centage DEDUCTED.-Having lately met, in a contract, that the sum was to be paid "less 24 per cent.," I have been anxious to learn the reason for the deduction. It was about the year 1784. Since then occurred another such clause," the house was insured for 500l., and with the deduction of three per cent. they paid me 4851." This was in 1748. Was there any act of parliament authorising these deductions on contracts? Something of the kind appears in 5 W. & M. c. 21, s. 3; 9 & 10 W. III. c. 25, s. 37; and
48 G. III. c. 149, s. 9; but these do not seem to
DE WETT ARMS.-Where can I obtain the
blazonry of the arms of the De Wett family, who lived in Amsterdam in the seventeenth century. The seal which I have gives me ar. a Catherine wheel, but of what tincture I cannot tell, nor can I make out the crest and motto. HERALD.
JOHN FELLOWS.-Can you give me any biographical particulars regarding John Fellows, a poet of the last century, author of The Holy Bible in Verse (in 4 vols.), 1778, and other works?
FRIDAY STREET.-There are several roads so called in Surrey: one in Abinger, another in Ockley, and a third in Wotton. What is the origin of the name ?† CPL.
JOSEPH FOWKE. Of this gentleman, who held a high position under the East India company, Letters (1817), p. 202. It is there stated that he there is an account in Rebecca Warner's Original died" three or four and twenty years ago," that is from him dated Malmesbury, Nov. 20, 1797. to say, about 1793 or 1794; but at p. 226 is a letter
evidently thick tanned leather. However, not agreeing, we turned to Johnson's and to Walker's Dictionaries, and found it described as a pale or light yellow (the colour of wash-leather), and also found a substance called buff, buffalo leather, this is what must have displayed its "sturdiness" in alleviating old Hudibras's cruel "bangs." The question, of course, went against me, for buff (the substance) is not buff. But with all due deference to the Dictionaries, I don't think that people mean a pale yellow when they use the word buff, excepting my friend, and I fancy that the reason he thinks so must be, that there is no other colour left him, without going on the one side into scarlet, and on the other into green, for hardly two persons agree as to what colour it is. I find all varieties of yellow-brown, brown-yellow, red-brown, &c. &c., used. Once I was told that it is a grey, much inclining to slate-grey, and was informed on one occasion that there was no doubt about it be-Life of Johnson (x. 254), states Mr. Fowke to ing flesh-colour, from the popular saying, " in your buff," i. e. naked. I should like to know for what peculiar tint it is used in Somersetshire, Northumberlandshire, or any other distant county; also, if there is any corresponding word for it in France or Germany? I am afraid it is difficult to get any definite answer to "What is buff?" considering that on an average one in every fifteen is colour
Mr. Croker, in the 12mo. edition of Boswell's have died about 1794. The real date of his death
[* Some remarks on the word Buff will be found in "N. & Q." 1st S. xi. 467; 2nd S. ix. 4.-ED.]
[† Friday Streets are also common in most villages in the neighbourhood of Framlingham, in Suffolk. Stow says, that Friday Street, in Cheapside, was "so called of Fishmongers dwelling there, and serving Friday's market."-Survey, p. 131, edit. 1842.-ED.]
I may here note an error in the index to the last cited work, under Mr. Fowke's name. For "v. 436" should be read "vi. 136, 140."
NOTTINGHAM PROBATE COURT.-I believe that at Nottingham there is a Probate Court. Will some Nottingham correspondent be good enough to tell me the places from which the wills deposited there would be taken?
S. Y. R. "GOD SAVE THE KING" IN CHURCH.-I happened to attend divine service in St. Nicholas's church, Newcastle, on Sunday, August 30, during the meeting of the British Association in that town. On this occasion the mayor and corporation came in state, and as the procession moved up the aisle the organ played "God save the King." I was told that the National Anthem is always performed when the mayor appears at church. Is this custom peculiar to Newcastle, or does it pre-initials "I. M. C." with the date 1824. What
GREYN COURT, ETC.-In a pedigree of the Hart family, recorded in the Visitation of Kent (1668), is the marriage of "Henry Hart, Lord of the Manor of Greyn Court," to Elizabeth, daughter of David Willard. Can any of your correspondents inform me in what part of Kent "Greyn Court" is situated? And also, where David Willard's family was located? I should fancy that it was in the northern part of the county. The registers of Newington and Milton afford instances of the name of Willard.
W. H. HART, F.S.A. Folkestone House, Roupell Park, Streatham. LONG GRASS. In Norden's Surveyor's Dialogue, first published, says Watt, in 1607, but I quote the edition of 1610, there is the following statement. I have often seen the work quoted, and Norden's topographical works were in high reputation:
"You are not acquainted with the meddowes upon Dove Bank, Tandeane [Taunton Dean], upon Seaverne side, Allermore, the Lord's meddow, in Crediton, and the meddowes about the Welch-poole, and especially a meddow not farre from Salisburie, neere a bourne under the plaine, that beares grasse yearely above ten foote long, though many thinke it incredible, yet it is apparant that the grasse is commonly sixteene foote long. It is made shorter before cattle can feede on it, and when the cattle have fed, hogges are made fat with the remnant, namely, with the knots and sappe of the grasse" (p. 155).
I am one of these cattle: this grass must be made shorter before I can swallow it. What do your readers say? What is now the tallest grass in England? A. DE MORGAN.
MONARCHS' SEALS.-I find in a newspaper an unauthenticated fragment to the effect that monarchs sometimes gave greater weight to their sanction of a mandate by incorporating three hairs from their beard with the wax forming the seal, and that a deed of 1121 contains proof of such custom in the testing or execution clause. Is this true? J. D. CAMPBELL.
LORD NELSON.-When and where did Nelson say, that "the island of Sardinia is worth a hundred Maltas?" C. W.
PAINTING. I have seen an oil painting representing the interior of room, evidently the laboratory of a chemist. In the centre a venerable man is seated; before him stands a woman, whose pulse he appears to be feeling. In the background stands a man mixing something in a mortar; various chemical apparatus are strewn about the room. In one corner of the picture appear the
circumstance is intended to be represented in this painting, and who was the artist? CARILFORD. Cape Town.
against Political Economy, has represented it as the science to make the rich richer, and the poor ABHBA. poorer ?
POLITICAL ECONOMY. - Who, in an invective
QUOTATIONS WANTED. - Under the engraving from the painting by Sir David Wilkie, called "The Only Daughter," the following pretty lines are inscribed; perhaps some correspondent of "N. & Q." can inform me who is the author of them:
"Shall she repair the broken string
Or hear again her cage-bird sing
"One little hour, and, oh! the wild
Deep anguish of that hour!
And she shall be that suffering child
Who again is the author of the lines often inscribed under engravings of the "Aurora" of Guido?
"O mark again the coursers of the sun,
Where I maie reade all at my ease both of the newe and olde,
For a jollie goode booke whereon to looke is better to me than golde."
RIDDLE. - Wanted, information respecting a riddle which was made by a lady not long ago, and the solution of which was, by her will, to procure for any one who should be fortunate enough to be able to give it, 10007. A. B. C. MAJOR RUDYERD of the 36th regiment of foot, and twenty-eight years Tower Major of Gibraltar, died at Chatham, Oct. 3, 1793, æt. 85; and his widow died at Whitby, June 17, 1813, aged above a hundred. I shall be glad of his Christian name, and of any other information about him. I believe he was the father of Henry Rudyerd, Lieut.Col. of the Royal Engineers, who died in 1828 (being the father of Capt. H. T. Rudyerd, who died at Bangalore, June 21, 1824, and of Samuel Rudyerd, Colonel of the Royal Artillery, who died at Whitby, July 19, 1847, æt. 61, and is buried at Sneaton, in Yorkshire, with Mary his mother, who died March 22, 1839, æt. 88).
S. Y. R.
SETH, THE PATRIARCH.-While reading through the Chronicles "Joannis a Leida," Frankfort, 1620, I find in lib. xxxi. c. 26, the following curious account of the discovery of the body of the patriarch Seth. In the year 1374 some excavations were being made in the Valley of Jehoshaphat in connection with the monastery. After digging to the depth of about six feet, "stadium unius hominis," sounds as of the grunting of pigs, "grunnitum porcorum," were heard. The "Sarracens" present considered these sounds to be a protest on the part "diaboli" against the building a Christian monastery; the Christians, on the other hand, gave it as their opinion that the earth was chanting forth praises at the prospect of having the gospel established in that spot. At all events the digging went on, and "invenerunt tumulum de lateribus compositum," on opening which they discovered "cadaver miræ magnitudinis integrum cum barba prolixa et capillis maximis in pellibus ovinis et integris sepultum. Deinde sub capite ejus, pellis ovina, quæ erat integra, in longitudine triginta pedum cum qua (ut creditur) Adam indutus fuit, et super caput ejus invenerunt tabulam, in qua literis concavatis ad modum sigilli Hebraice inscriptum fuit sic: Ego Seth, tertiogenitus filius Auæ (Eve), credo in Jesum Christum filium Dei et in Mariam Virginem, matrem ejus, de lumbis meis venturos." The chronicler gives this story on the authority of an eye-witness, Dominus Joannes de domo Villarii, Doctor Sacræ Theologiæ, videns fieri oculis suis, transscripsit de terra sancta anno prædicto Joanni de Solentia, S.T.D. consocio suo."
Perhaps some of your readers may be able to
give further information on this "wonderful discovery." Can it be corroborated, and is anything known of the present existence or whereabouts of these reliquiæ ? CHESSBOROUgh.
ST. ANTHONY OF PADUA PREACHING TO THE FISHES. Lady Morgan mentions in one of her Palace at Rome, representing St. Anthony preachbooks that she saw a picture in the Borghese ing to the fishes. She also states, "that the saint's sermon was to be purchased in many of the shops at Rome, and that he began his discourse thus 'Dearly beloved fish,' &c. The legend adds, that at the conclusion of the sermon the fish bowed to the saint with profound humility, and a grave religious countenance." The Very Rev. Dr. Husenbeth, in his valuable Emblems of Saints, under the heading of "St. Anthony of Padua," gives one of the saint's emblems as "preaching to fishes" . Callot. (P. 13, ed. 1850.) Where is the saint's sermon to be found in extenso? J. DALTON.
"Predictions for the Year 1708, &c. By Isaac Bickerstaffe," certainly one of the best known works of Swift, published by Swift himself in the first volume of his Miscellanies, 1727, and by Faulkner, in 1735, in the edit. of Swift's Works. Again, in the list of Steele's Works, I find, "The Antidote, &c., occasioned by the dispute between Woodward, &c. 1719. The Antidote, No. 2, &c. 1719."
Now we know that Arbuthnot and the Tory Scriblerians entered very zealously into the dispute against Woodward;-more zealously than we had supposed, if the commentator on Wagstaffe's Miscellanies be correct (3rd S. i. 381); but why should Steele intermeddle? If these pamphlets were in favour of Woodward, it might explain why Steele himself was so roughly handled by his old friends. I know nothing of these pamphlets, and therefore ask for information. S. R. S.
THE REV. PETER THOMPSON was minister of
the United Presbyterian Church in Cliff Lane, Whitby, from 1799 till 1804, when he removed to Leeds. He published The Time of Peace, a Sermon preached on the first of June, 1802. Whitby, him will be acceptable to 8vo, 1804. Any additional information respecting S. Y. R.
CHARLES VERRAL.-This gentleman was author of a poem called The Pleasures of Possession, 1810, and Servius Tullus, a Tragedy, and Saladin, a Dramatic Romance, published about 1814. Mr.
ZINCOGRAPHY.—In the Exhibition of 1862 there were some facsimiles of rare books produced by this process exhibited in the French Court. I recollect an early Italian Arithmetic, a volume of Geryonne's Annales de Mathématique, 4to, and a folio of Fermat's. Can any of your readers add to this list of reproductions, or give any information as to a Catalogue of books that have been published in facsimile? This particular process was invented by Col. Sir Hen. James, for, I think, the reproduction of engravings. I have heard something of another process, in which, however, the matter to be copied was destroyed in the process. WM. DAVIS.
Queries with Answers. EDWARD DARCY, ESQ. The second wife of Sir Erasmus Philipps of Picton Castle, Bart., and mother of the "good Sir John," was Katherine, daughter and coheir of Edward Darcy of Newhall, in the county of Derby, Esq., by Lady Elizabeth Stanhope, daughter of Philip, Earl of Chesterfield. Dame Katherine Philipps died on November 15, 1713, and was buried in the parish church of St. Giles's-in-the-Fields, London. Her father, Edward Darcy, was the son of Sir Robert Darcey, Knt., who was the fifteenth in lineal male descent from Norman D'Areci, who came to England with William, Duke of Normandy, who gave him Nocton, and thirty-two lordships in Lincolnshire. In the Diary of John Evelyn, I find the following entry:
"1632, 21st October. My eldest sister was married to Edward Darcy, Esq., who little deserved so excellent a person-a woman of so rare virtue. I was not present at the nuptials; but I was soon afterwards sent for into Surrey While I was now trifling at home, I saw London, where I lay one night only. The next day I dined at Beddington,† where I was much delighted with the gardens and curiosities. Thence we returned to the Lady Darcy's at Sutton.
"1634, 15th December. My dear sister Darcy departed this life, being arrived to her 20th year of age; in virtue advanced beyond her years, or the merit of her husband, the worst of men. She had been brought to bed the 2nd
[Some particulars of these two churches may be found in Hasted's Kent, iii. 551, 558.-ED.]
The ancient and once magnificent seat of the noble family of the Carews.
[Edward Darcy, Esq., was the only son and heir of Sir Robert Darcy, Knt., of Newhall in Derbyshire, who became possessed of Dartford priory and the manor of Temples in 1612. Edward Darcy inhabited Dartford House, and was twice married; first to Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Evelyn of Surrey, Esq., by whom he had no issue: secondly, to Lady Elizabeth, daughter of Philip Stanhope, first Earl of Chesterfield, by whom he left three daughters, his coheirs-Katherine, who married Sir Erasmus Phillips of Picton Castle, Pembrokeshire, Bart.; Dorothy, who married Sir.. Rokesby; and Elizabeth married, first, to Thomas Milward of Derbyshire, Esq.; and, secondly, to Barnes. Vide Hasted's Kent, i. 217; and Dunkin's Hist. of Dartford, p. 186, ed. 1844.]
THRAUES: DRAGETUM. - In a document which sets forth the value and customs, &c., of a vicarage in the reign of Richard II., I find the following passage:
"Item idem vicarius debet percipere et habere per manus rectoris ecclesia ibidem annuatim ratione dicta vicariæ suæ xxiiii thranes garbarum de frumento, hordeo, drageto et avena, quæ grana ut nunc traduntur prædicto rectori," &c.
Will any of your correspondents tell me the meaning of the words in italics, together with other instances of their use. DIPLOMATICUS.
[The word is not thrane but thraue, twenty-four sheaves or shocks one thrave. In some counties, howThe shock is the bundle of sheaves, generally six of them, ever, twelve sheaves, or three shocks, make the thrave. set up ready for carrying in the harvest-field In Latin charters it is written thrava ladi, and it probably comes from the Saxon preaf, a bundle. The following curious note from the Rev. L. B. Larking's Knights Hospitallers in England (printed for the Camden Society), p. 230, will well explain dragetum :
"Dragge, menglyd corne (Drage or Mestlyon P.), Promptorium Parvulorum; where Mr. Way notes-'In the 13th century the grains chiefly cultivated in England, as appears by the accounts of the Bailiff of the Royal Manor of Marlborough, Rot. Pip. 1 E. I., were wheat, berecorn, dragg, or a mixture of vetches and oats, beans and peas.' The regulations for the brewers of Paris in 1254, prescribe that they shall brew only 'de grains, c'est à savoir, d'orge, de mestuel, et de dragée. Règlement sur les Arts, &c., ed. by Depping. Tusser speaks of Dredge as commonly grown in the eastern counties
'Sow barley and dredge with a plentiful hand.' "Thy dredge and thy barlie goe thresh out to malt.'