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had been induced to desire that this important subject fact, the property of the whole nation. As such, the quesshould be referred to a select committee. He again in- tion was before the people-it was a question for the nasisted, that when the subject of a national bank had been tion to decide. In this House, it was not fairly presented a second time, and in a more explicit and particular man- as a subject of inquiry until the bank should apply for a ner, recommended to the consideration of the House, it new charter; when that time arrived, Mr. C. said he would not be respectful to the Chief Magistrate to send should for sending it to a select committee; but at preback to a committee who had made up their opinion in sent the whole matter was premature. opposition to that intimated by the Executive. He had The question was then taken on the motion of Mr. not the least doubt that if the light of truth could be made WAYNĖ, and decided in the negative, by yeas and nays, manifest to them, the minds of those gentlemen were as follows: open to conviction on this as on every other subject; but YEAS.--Messrs. Alexander, Allen, 'Angel, Barnwell, all knew that truth was often difficult of access, and some Baylor, Bell, James Blair, John Blair, Boon, Borst, Brodtimes not less difficult to be received, and this acknow-head, Carson, Chandler, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Conner, ledgment involved no imputation whatever on the upright- Daniel, Davenport, Warren R. Davis, Earll, Findlay, ness of that committee. He had another reason for wishing Forel, Foster, Fry, Gaither, Gordon, Hall, Halsey, Hamthe amendment to prevail; it was not to be expected that, mons, Haynes, Hinds, Leonard Jarvis, Cave Johnson, unless the question was submitted to a few minds which Kennon, Perkins King, Lamar, Lea, Leavitt, Lecompte, felt a strong interest in regard to it, it would be examined Lewis, Loyall
, Lumpkin, Thomas Maxwell
, Monell, Norwith that application and industry which were indispensa- ton, Nuckolls, Pettis, Polk, Potter, Powers, Rencher, ble to the full development of the subject. The sugges- Roane, Sanford, Scott, Augustine H. Shepperd, Shields, tion of the President involved a reference to the amount Standefer, Taliaferro, Wiley Thompson, John Thomson, and places of deposite, their effect upon commerce, &c. Trezvant, Tucker, Wayne, Weeks, Wickliffe, Yancey.&c. which could not be gone into at large unless by a com- 67. mittee specially devoted to the subject. If the House NAYS.- Messrs. Alston, Anderson, Arnold, Bailey, approached the investigation through its Committee of Barber, Barringer, Bartley, Beekman, Bockee, Brown, Ways and Means, could it expect as full and detailed a re- Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Cambreleng, Chilton, Clark, port as if by a select committee, whose views corresponded Coleman, Condict, Cooper, Cowles, Craig, Crane, Crawwith those of the President? He knew that gentlemen ford, Creighton, Crocheron, Denny, Dickinson, Draper, would object to his proposition; that the reference to a Drayton, Dudley, Duncan, Eager, Ellsworth, G. Evans, J. select committee would excite a belief in the community Evans, H. Everett, Finch, Gilmore, Gorham, Green, Grenthat the United States' Bank was not to be rechartered, nell, Harvey, Hemphill, Hodges, Hoffman, Holland, Howand thus greatly depress the price of bank stock. Admit ard, Hughes, Hunt, Huntington, Ingersoll, Irwin, Irvin, that such might be the effect, was this a valid objection? Jennings, Johns, Kendall, Kincaid, A. King, Lent, LetchWas the House bound to preclude inquiry on a most im- er, Lyon, Magee, Mallary, Marr, Martindale, Lewis Maxportant subject, from a fear that the discussion might well, McCreery, McIntire, Mercer, Miller, Mitchell, affect the price of stocks? Suppose the question should Muhlenberg, Overton, Patton, Pearce, Pierson, Randolph, be deferred, it must come up at last; and would it not Reed, Richardson, Rose, Russel, William B. Shepard, affect stock then as much as now? Mr. W. said, when Semmes, Sill, Smith, Speight, Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, the question came up on rechartering the bank as now Stanbery, Sterigere, Storrs, Strong, Sutherland, Swann, organized, he should vote against it, because its benefits Swift, Taylor, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Verplanck, Vinenured to individuals and not to the Government, who ton, Washington, Whittlesey, Edward D. White, Wilmight by means of such an institution contribute to relieve liams, Wilson, Wingate, Young:--108. the people of the Union from unjust taxation to the amount So the House refused to amend the resolution, and the perhaps of millions annually. "He should, however, ab-resolution, as reported by the Committee of the Whole, stain from entering upon the merits of the main question was agreed to. at this time. He was aware that it would not be in order The House then adjourned. to touch upon them. He had had the honor of offering a resolution on the same subject at the last session, and should renew it at the present session. His only motive
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 10. then, as now, had been to promote an inquiry after truth.
After the reception of a great number of petitions and He believed that the appointment of a select committee resolutions: would elicit a mass of facts which it was desirable to ub.
On motion of Mr. BUCHANAN, in order to give time tain, and which would not otherwise come before the for the House to make the preliminary arrangements for House, tending to show whether the measure proposed the trial of Judge Peck, which commences in the Senate by the Executive were practicable or not.
chamber at 12 o'clock on Monday next, the House agreed Mr. CAMBRELENG, of New York, said that if the to meet at 11 o'clock on that day. yeas and nays had not been ordered on this subject; he
And then the House adjourned. should not have risen. He was opposed to the amend. ment of the gentleman from Georgia, because he viewed
MONDAY, DECEMBER 13. the whole question as premature at this time. When the proper time arrived for its consideration, he should cer.
JUDGE PECK. tainly be in favor of referring it to a select committee. Mr. BUCHANAN, on behalf of the managers appointIt had been so referred when the bank petitioned for a ed to conduct the impeachment against Judge James H. renewal of its charter. He had the greatest respect for Peck, submitted the following report, which was agreed the gentleman at the head of the Committee of Ways and to: Means, (Mr. McDUFFIE,] but he thought the subject ought The Committee of Managers appointed by the House never to come before the House until the bank should of Representatives to conduct the impeachment against again appear as a petitioner for the renewal of its charter. James H. Peck, Judge of the district court of the United The President, in presenting his message to Congress, States for the district of Missouri, report, that they have had glanced his eye over the whole interests of the coun- had under consideration the answer of Judge Peck to the try, and had, very properly, given to the House his views article of impeachment exhibited against him by the of a great and weighty question of public policy. It was House, and recommend the adoption of the following re. a question which involved the circulating medium, and, in plication thereto:
H. OF R.]
Duties on Sugar.- United States and Denmark.
Election of Chaplain.
(Dec. 13, 1830.
To the House of Representatives of the United States: By the House of Representatives of the United States to I transmit to the House of Representatives printed cothe answer and plea of James H. Peck, Judge of the pies of the convention between the United States and his district court of the United States for the district of Majesty the King of Denmark, concluded at Copenhagen Missouri, to the article of impeachment exhibited against on the 28th of March, 1830, and ratified by and with the him by the said House of Representatives.
advice and consent of the Senate. The House of Representatives of the United States
ANDREW JACKSON. having considered the answer and plea of James H. Peck,
Wasaington, December 10, 1830. Judge of the district court of the United States for the dis The message and convention were referred to the Comtrict of Missouri, to the article of impeachinent against him mittee on Foreign Affairs, and ordered to be printed. by them exhibited, in the name of themselves and of all the The SPEAKER likewise laid before the House the folpeople of the United States, reply, that the said James lowing letter, which was read; and, on motion of Mr. H. Peck is guilty in such manner as he stands impeached; SPENCER, of New York, ordered to be referred to the and that the House of Representatives will be ready to Committee on Agriculture: prove their charges against him at such convenient time and place as shall be appointed for that purpose.
PHILADELPHIA, December 7, 1830. Resolved, That the foregoing replication be put in to the
Sır: You will receive with this letter a silken flag, answer and plea of the aforesaid James H. Peck, on be.be the colors of the United States. This flag is made half of this House; and that the managers be instructed to entirely of American silk, reeled from the cocoons, premaintain the said replication at the bar of the Senate, at pared and woven by Mr. John D'llomergue, silk manusuch time as shall be appointed by the Senate.
facturer. The coloring has been done by the best artist DUTIES ON SUGAR.
he could procure in the city of Philadelphia, he himself
not professing to be a dyer. Mr. HAYNES, of Georgia, submitted the following re
The staff of this flag, with the eagle, measures about solution:
fifteen feet; the fag itself is twelve feet and a half long, Resolved, that the Committee of Ways and Means be and six feet wide. It is woven all in one piece, without a instructed to inquire into the expediency of repealing the duties on sugar imported from foreign countries into the
I beg, sir, you will be so good as to present this Aag, United States. Mr. SUTHERLAND required that the question be over which you preside, as a sample of American indus
most respectfully, in my name, to the honorable House taken upon the consideration of the resolution; and Mr. try, thus applied, for the first time, to the most valuable WILLIAMS demand the yeas and nays on the question, of American productions; and as a result of the efforts They were ordered by the House, and, being taken, stood they have made during the last five years for the promoas follows:
tion of the important branch of agriculture to which we YEAS.-Messrs. Alexander, Alston, Anderson, Angel, owe the rich material of which this flag is composed. Archer, Armstrong, Barbour, Barnwell, Barringer, Bay. I have the honor to be, with the highest respect, sir, lor, Bell, James Blair, John Blair, Boon, Brodhead, your most obedient and most humble servant, Brown, Cambreleng, Campbell, Carson, Claiborne, Clay,
PETER S. DUPONCEAU. Coke, Conner, Craig, Crocheron, Warren R. Davis, De. Hon. ANDREW STEVENSON, sha, De Witt, Draper, Drayton, Dudley, Earll, Gaither, Speaker of the House of Representatires. Gordon, Hall, Halsey, Hainmons, Harvey, Haynes, Hinds, Holland, Hoffman, Hubbard, Jarvis, Jennings, Cave John A message was received from the Senate, informing the son, Lamar, Lea, Lecompte, Lent, Lewis, Loyall, Lump- House that they were in their public chamber, and ready kin, Thomas Maxwell
, 'McDuffie, McIntire, Mitchell, to proceed on the trial of the impeachment of James H. Monell, Nuckolls, Patton, Pettis, Polk, Potter, Powers, Peck: and that seats were provided for the accommodation Rencher, Roane, Sanford, William B. Shepard, Augustine of the members of the House. H. Shepperd, Shields, Speight, Richard Spencer, Stan Whereupon, Mr. BUCHANAN submitted the following bery, Standefer, Taliaferro, °Wiley Thompson, Tucker, resolution; which was carried, nem. con. Verplanck, Wayne, Wecks, Campbell P. White, Williams,
Resolved, That a message be sent to the Senate to inWilson.-83.
form them that this House have agreed to a replication, NAYS.--Messrs. Arnold, Bailey, Barber, Bartley, Bates, on their part, to the answer and plea of James H. Peck, Beekman, Bockee, Borst, Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Judge of the district court of the United States for the Clark, Coleman, Condici, Cooper, Coulter, Cowles, district of Missouri, to the article of impeachment exhiCrane, Crawford, Creighton, Crowninshield, Daniel, Den- bited to the Senate against him by this House, and have ny, Dickinson, Doddridge, Duncan, Dwight, Enger, Ells- directed the managers appointed to conduct the said imworth, George Evans, Horace Everett, Finch, peachment to carry the said replication to the Senate, and Ford, Forward, Fry, Gilmore, Green, Grei ell' Gurley, to maintain the same at the bar of the Senate, at such time Hawkins, Hemphill, Hodges, Howard, introids, llunt,
as shall be appointed by the Senate. Huntington, lhrie, Ingersoll, Irwin, Irvin, Richard M.
ELECTION OF CHAPLAIN.
Mr. TAYLOR moved that the House do now proceed Lewis Maxwell, McCreery, Miller, Muhlenberg, Overton, to the election of a chaplain; which motion was agrecd to. Pearce, Pierson, Ramsey, Reed, Richardson, Rose, Rus
Messrs. ARCHER, WHTTLISEY, and FORWARD were sel, Scott, Sill, Smith, Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, Steri- appointed tellers: whereupon, gerc, Stephens, Storrs, Strong, Sutherland, Swann, Swift,
MIT. ARCHIER nominated the reverend Mr. Post; Mr. Taylor, John Thomson, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Vinton, FORWARD nominated the reverend Mr. Thomas; Mr. Washington, Whittlesey, Edward D. White, Wicklifle, WHIITTLESEY nominated the reverend Mr. Gurley; Yancey, Young.--99.
and Mr. HUBBARD nominated the reverend Mr. Paifrey . So the House refused to consider the resolution.
On counting the first ballot, it appeared that 180 votes UNITED STATES A D DENMARK.
were given in--necessary to a choice 91: of wbieh Mr.
Post received 83; Mr. Gurley, 46; Mr. Palfrey, 34; Mr. The SPEAKER laid befois t'e House the following Thomas, 12; and there were five blank votes. message from the President of inde United States:
į After two other inefl'ectual ballotings,
Dec. 14, 1830.]
(H. OF R. On the fourth ballot there were 170 votes-- necessary to rum, how much soever he wished the public business at. a choice, 86: Mr. Gurley received 91; Mr. Post, 75; and tended to, he would prefer that the House itself should there were four scattering:
conduct the impeachment. So the reverend Ralph R. Gurley was duly elected Mr. J. was about to proceed, when the SPEAKER reChaplain on the part of the House of Representatives for minded him that there was no proposition before the the present session.
House, and suggested the propriety of his submitting a reMr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, remarked that there was solution on the subject. a difference of opinion, at least in his quarter of the House, Mr. J. declining to make any distinct motion at this time, as to the order which should be taken in attending the Adjourned. trial of Judge Peck, in the Senate of the United States. Some were of opinion that the House should attend in a
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14. body; others thought that it would only be necessary for
SUNDAY MAILS. the managers on the part of the House to attend during the trial. At the last session, said Mr. J., the House were subject of Sunday mails--recommending that the mail
A memorial was presented by Mr. COULTER, on the in attendance; and it was thought by many members that should be discontinued on the sabbath. On its presenta, the same course would be pursued at this session. He wished, for his own part, to have a correct understanding
tion, he moved its reference to the Committee on the Post
Office. of the subject, and he would thank the Chair to give to the House his opinion as to the course that should be pursued. the direction moved by the gentleman who presented it.
Mr. JOHNSON, of Ky., objected to giving the petition The SPEAKER stated that the resolution of the House He observed, that if the authors of the petition had an at the last session was confined to its attendance before advocate or advocates on this floor, he was perfectly wil. the court of impeachment for a single day. The Clerk, ling that the report formerly made by the Post Office however, would read the resolution. [The resolution having been read, which was, in effect, called up. Let the House hear what gentlemen had to
committee on the general subject should at any time be that the House would in a body attend in the Senate chamber for a certain day, to support the charges against Judge Saxon.
subject which he had always thought, and would Peck]-
now say, ought never to have been brought into the Hall
of Congress. He was desirous to hear what could be said Mr. BUCHANAN rose, and observed, that there seem- in favor of Congress interfering with religious consideraed to be a misunderstanding upon the subject. With the tions. The committee had acted on the subject, and it permission of the House he would state the course that would not do so again), unless compelled to do so by an had been pursued by the managers. They had examined all the precedents which had occurred in this country, to from Pennsylvania (Mr. Coulter] would acquiesce in the
express order of the House. He hoped the gentleman guide them to a correct performance of their duty. It was motion which he would now make, that the petition be ascertained that, since the adoption of the present constir laid upon the table, or, rather, that it be referred to a tution, there had been three impeachments, viz. those of Committee of the whole on the state of the Union; and Messi's. Blount, and Pickering, and Judge Chase. On
he made that motion. the trial of the two first, the House did not attend in a body, but left it to the managers to conduct the impeach- direction should be given to the petition. He had always
Mr. COULTER said that he felt very indifferent what ment; on the trial of Judge Chase, they did attend every considered it proper, when the House was addressed in a day. It not being considered by the inanagers of the pend. decorous manner, on any subject proper for legislation, ing trial that any principle so important as to interrupt the to give the petition a respectful consideration. In the legislative business of the House was involved in the pre- present case, as the course indicated by the chairman of sent case, they had gone to the Senate this day, as mana. the Post Office committee was likely to effect the very gers, and presented to that body the replication agreed object which the petitioners had in view, viz. to have the upon by the House. Mr. B. further remarked, that he had consulted the English precedents. On the trial of relation to it, he was entirely willing it should be adopted.
subject discussed, and obtain some action of Congress in Warren Hastings, the House of Commons attended at the He had made a different motion, only out of the courtesy commencement of the trial, but they did not continue to which he supposed due to the Post Office committee, and
On the trial of the Earl of Macclesfield, they did in compliance with the custom of the House. He had no not attend until his conviction by the House of Lords; and doubt that the honorable chairman of the Post Office then they attended in consequence of a message having committee was both competent and willing to meet the been sent them by that body, that they were ready to pro- discussion, which it was the object of the prayer of the nounce judgment on the impeached, if the House of Competitioners to invite. If they had an advocate in the mons would attend and demand it.
House, that advocate would doubtless avail himself of the Mr. B. would not advocate the attendance or non-attendance of the House at the trial which was to take place, invited so to do by any one.
privilege of debating the question without being specially
Mr. C. said it was not his He had felt it to be his duty to state the course which had been pursued on previous occasions of impeachment, and purpose to avow himself as their champion, as he did not
feel himself pledged to any particular course in the matwhat had been done by the managers in the present case, and to state that his sole object was to do that which would ter; he should endeavor, on this as on other occasions,
to do what he considered his duty to his constituents best please the House. No motion having been made this demanded. If that duty led him to advocate the cause of morning on the subject, the managers had felt it to be their these petitioners, he should be ready, in so doing, to imperative duty to attend at the bar of the Senate, and
meet even the gentleman from Kentucky. present the replication which had been agreed upon.
Mr. JOHNSON again rose, but the SPEAKER sugMr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, said, that one great ob-gesting that there was no proposition before the House, ject of his rising had been to obtain from the managers an the petition was referred to the Committee of the whole explanation of the course which they had taken. part, he wanted to go on with the public business. He on the state of the Union, by the acquiescence of the recollected, however, the great debate in the Senate at the last session, and that it was nearly impossible to retain other committee; which was assented to.
Mr. HAYNES moved the reference of a petition to an. a quorum of the House; if it were probable such would be
THE TARIFF. the case on the present occasion, and the House should be compelled to adjourn from day to day for want of a quo Mr. BARRINGER submitted the following resolution:
Resolved, that the Committee of Ways and Means be creek, for the purpose of a harbor, would exceed the instructed to report a bill reclucing the duty on bar iron, most sanguine expectations of its projectors. made by liammering, to the amount of duty imposed by Mr. T. remarked, that the formation of a harbor on the the law of 1816.
contemplated site was one of a strictly national character. Also, to reduce the duty on cotton bagging to two cents That it would greatly enlarge the facilities of commerce per square yard.
on the Northern lakes, but, in case of war, would conAlso, to reduce the duty on coarse woollen goods, costing tribute to the cominon defence of the country, in a proless than fifty cents per square yard at the place whence portionate degree to those on the seacoast. Mr. T. imported, to an ad valorem duty of twenty-five per cent. concluded by saying that the section of the country
Also, to reduce the duty on coarse wool, costing less bordering on the Northern lakes had never asked much than ten cents per pound at the place whence imported, aid from the General Government for the promotion of to an ad valorein duty of twenty per cent.
national objects, and that they had received but a small Also, to reduce the duty on brown sugar to two cents proportion of what they had asked; and he hoped this per pound.
subject would receive from the appropriate committee, Mr. CONDICT demanded the question of consideration to whom it would be referred, all the attention which its on this resolution; and Mr. FINCHI called for the yeas and importance required. nays on the question. They were ordered by the House, The resolution yesterday submitted by Mr. BOON, and, being taken, stood as follows:
of Indiana, was taken up, considered, and agreed to. YEAS.--Messrs. Alexander, Allen, Alston, Anderson, The following resolution, yesterday submitted by Mr. Archer, Barbour, Barnwell, Barringer, Baylor, Bell, WHITE, of Florida, was taken up: James Blair, Brodhead, Cambreleng, Campbell, Carson, Resolved, That the Secretary of the Navy be directed to Chandler, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Conner, Crais, Cro- communicate to this House copies of the correspondence cheron, Davenport, Warren R. Davis, Desha, De Witt, of the superintendent, and reports of the overseer of Draper, Drayton, Dudley, Foster, Gaither, Gordon, Hall
, the live oak plantations near the navy yard at Pensacola. Hammons, Haynes, Hinds, Holland, Jarvis, Jennings, Mr. SPEIGHT offered the following amendment: Cave Johnson, Lamar, Lea, Lent, Lewis, Loyall, Lump “ And that he be further directed to communicate to kin, McDuffie, McIntire, Nuckolls, Patton, Polk, Potter, this House copies of all correspondence, contracts, Rencher, Roane, Wm. 3. Shepard, Aug. H. Shepperd, deeds, or other papers, connected with the purchase of Speight, Richard Spencer, Standefer, Taliaferro, Wiley live oak lands in Florida, in the possession of, or within Thompson, Tucker, Verplanck, Campbell P. White, the control of the Navy Department; the quantity purWilliams, Wilson.--66.
chased; the persons from whom the purchases were made; NAYS.--Messrs. Angel, Armstrong, Arnold, Bailey, the prices given; to whom paid, when paid, and on what Barber, Bates, Beekman, John Blair, Bockee, Boon, authority; together with all other information tending to Borst, Brown, Buchanan, Butman, Cahoon, Clark, Cole- show the value of such lands at the time of the purchase, man, Condict, Cooper, Coulter, Cowles, Crane, Craw- as well as the quantity and value of the live oak timber ford, Crowninshield, Daniel, Denny, Dickinson, Dod- on each tract, fit for naval purposes." dridge, Duncan, Dwight, Eager, Earlí, Ellsworth, George Mr. WHITE, of Florida, said he did not object to the Evans, Joshua Evans, Horace Everett, Findlay, Finch, amendment proposed by the gentleman from North CaroFord, Fry, Gilmore, Gorham, Grennell
, Gurley, Halsey, lina, and would accept it as a modification of his resoluHarvey, Hawkins, Hemphill, Hodges, Hoffman, Howard, tion, although all the information called for by it had at Hubbard, Hughes, Huntington, ihric, Irwin, Irvin, R. the last session been communicated to Congress. The M. Johnson, Kendall, Kennon, Kincaid, Perkins King, object he had in view was a simple one, and related to a Adam King, Leavitt, Lecompte, Letcher, Lyon, Magee, subject of more importance than might at first be imaginMarr, Martindale, Thomas Maswell, Lewis Maxwell, ed. The Secretary of the Navy, in his report to the McCreery, Mercer, Miller, Mitchell, Monell, Muhlenberg, President, and by him communicated to Congress, holds. Overton, Pearce, Pettis, Pierson, Ramsey, Reed, Rich- the following language: ardson, Rose, Russel, Sanford, Scott, Shields, Sill, Smith, “Further efforts have been made for the execution of Ambrose Spencer, Sprigg, Sterigere, Stephens, Storrs, this act, as far as it relates to the preservation of the live oak Strong, Sutherland, Swann, Swift, Taylor, John Thom- growing on the coasts of the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico. son, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Vinton, Washington, Weeks, "By the fourth section of this act, the President is Whittlesey, E. D. White, Wickliffe, Yancey, Young.--114. authorized to provide for the preservation of this timber; So the House refused to consider the resolution, but it seems to have been intended that the power should
be limited to that object. An interpretation of the law WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 15.
has heretofore been entertained, extending this power This day was consumed in the reception and reference of plantations of young trees, but to the purchase from
not only to the planting of the acorns, and the cultivation of petitions and resolutions of inquiry,
individuals of lands producing them. The paper accom
panying this, marked D, shows the amount which has Thursday, DECEMBER 16.
been expended on these plantations, and the sums which Mr. TRACY, on rising to present a petition, remarked, have been paid to individuals for the purchase of tracts that the subject matter of the petition which he was of such land. about to present, was one of great importance, not only "When it is considered that this timber is the natural to his own immediate constituents, but to the whole product of the cost of the United States, from the St. Masection of the country bordering on Lake Ontario. ry's to the Sabine; that the greater part of this belongs to
It might be recollected, he said, that, at the last session the United States, and is proposed to be retained with a of the present Congress, a law was passed, making an ap- view to preserving a supply of this important material for propriation for the survey of the mouth of Oak Orchard /the navy, it can scarcely be necessary for the present to creek, about middle distant between Niagara and Gene- engage in its artificial propagation or culture. sce rivers. This survey was carried into effect the last "Under an impression that this system is neither expesummer, by General Swift, an experienced engineer, dient, nor in conformity to the intentions of the act, an whose report accompanied the petitions, by reference to order has been given to discontinue the works after the which report it would appear that the benefits which expiration of the present year. would result from the improvement of the mouth of said *But the preservation of this timber is an object of
Dec. 16, 1830.]
Live Oak Plantations.
[H. OF R.
great importance, and should be prosecuted with an There were within this boundary a few individual claims active and undeviating purpose.'
to be extinguished, to give the United States exclusive He has exhibited in tliis report the expenses of a public jurisdiction and possession of the land. The contiguity work recommended by his predecessor, upon the concur- of this land, too, to the navy yard, rendered it accessible rence of the most experienced naval officers, and sanc- at all times to the officers, and subject to their superintioned by Congress, and has announced his determination tendence. A plan was made at the General Land Office, to discontinue it at the end of this year. The expenses the price to be paid stipulated, the situation well underto which the Government have been subjected, are only stood, and the intention of the Government made known, disclosed by him. The extent, progress, and benefit of and, with a full knowledge of all these facts, Congress the work is not presented, and can only be understood made the appropriation. This took place in that year, by having copies of the papers called for in the resolu- when a majority of both committees, and of both Houses tion he had the honor to submit. To form a just idea of of Congress, were opposed to the administration, so that any public improvement, the advantages as well as ex- there was no overstrained construction, no absurd and arpenses should be exhibited to those who are to decide bitrary interpretation, to make these purchases. If the whether the policy of the country requires its continu- attack is intended to be made upon the policy of the mca
sure, it is impugning the decision of Congress. The From a perusal of the report of the Secretary of the Secretary has also stated that live oak is the “natural Navy, one would be led to believe that an unauthorized product of the whole coast from St. Mary's to the sainterpretation had been put by his predecessor upon the bine. This is assumed as the ground for abandoning the third (erroneously called fourth) section of the act for policy adopted by Congress, and continued by this adthe gradual improvement of the navy. It had fallen to ministration fro:n the 4th of March, 1829, up to this time. his lot to know something about this subject, which, as it I regret that I am under the necessity of differing from has not been disclosed in the report, ought now to be the Secretary so widely in this statement. If the honorable stated here.
Secretary had referred to the respectable naval officers in The subject of forming plantations of live oak for the the other end of the building, they would have told him, future supply of that valuable timber for the navy, was from information acquired from an intimate personal acfirst introduced by a resolution in this House, on the 12th quaintance with that coast, that the live oak is found of January, 1827. By that resolution, the Committee on sparsely scattered at most remote distances, and in small Naval Affairs were instructed to inquire into the expe- bodies. If artificial culture is not resorted to, and the diency of forming plantations for rearing live oak for the fires kept out of the reservations, there will not be enough future supply of the navy. It passed by an almost unani- in fifty years to buld a West India squadron. mous vote; and it was then distinctly announced that the As I have the honor to represent the territory in which simber was so rapidly disappearing, that, wless artificial this establishment is located, I desire to have the subject propagation and culture were resorted to, there would not fairly placed before Congress, and let them decide whebe a sufficient quantity in a few years for naval purposes. ther the public interests will not be promoted by the con
It never was conceived that the act for the gradual im- tinuance of the experiment. The reports will show that provement of the navy conferred power to make pur- there are 70,000 live oak trees upon the land purchased, chases of land. No such “interpretation was ever enter- which, in half a century, or even a quarter, will be worth tained," and no such power claimed or exercised. On ten times the amount ever expended upon them. the contrary, it was believed that the Executive had no Mr. WHITE having accepted the amendment of Mr. such authority; and as it was considered that the public SPEIGHT as a modification of his resolution, interests would be promoted by the purchase of a few Mr. HOFFMAN moved further to amend it, by adding individual claims, to complete a proposed reservation of the following: thc public land near a navy yard, a specific appropriation
“ And all other information in the power of the departwas made in the bill making appropriation for the navy in ment to give, relative to a production and providing a sup1828, and will be found in the third section of that bill, ply of live oak, and the measures taken respecting the as follows:
growing thereof, and the expenses of such measures.” “Be it further enacted, That there be, and is hereby, Mr. HOFFMAN, on offering this amendment, said, that appropriated for the purchase of such lands as the Presi- the subject of this resolution was now before the Commitdent of the United States may think necessary and pro-tee on Naval Affairs, in consequence of a reference to that per to provide live oak and other timber for the use of committee of a part of the annual message of the Presithe navy of the United States, a sum not exceeding ten dent. His object in moving this amendment was to enlarge thousand dollars,” &c.
the proposed call, so as to embrace all the information on This is the authority under which the purchases were the subject which it was in the power of the department made, and not the fourth section of the act for the gradual to communicate. He was not awarc, he said, whether improvement of the navy,
Congress had, or had not, in any way, sanctioned tlie poThe object of this provision was distinctly explained in licy of planting. He did not rise to express any opinion a communication to the Committee on Naval Affairs in on that question at present, but only desired to have all the Senate and House of Representatives, and by them to the information which could be brought to bear upon it. the respective branches of Congress tu which they be Mr. WHITE accepted the amendment. longed. It was proposed by the President to make a re Mr. WICKLIFFE, of Kentucky, proposed an amendservation of the peninsula formed by Pensacola bay and ment, to include also an inquiry into the measures adoptSt. Rosa's sound, near to the navy yard, for the live oak ed for “ the preservation” of the live oak timber. He then upon it, and to make an experiment of, or its further wanted to get at information on this subject. He underpropagation by, artificial culture. The situation was per- stood that there had been a corps of overseers 'employed haps the best in the United States. The promontory about that business for the last and several preceding between these two bodies of salt water, from its peculiar years. He wished to know, from authority, what they position and almost insular form, presented advantages were about. which were not offered on any other part of that coast. Mr. WHITE accepted also this amendment. At the distance of eighteen or twenty miles up the sound, The resolution, as thus amended, was agreed to, nem. the waters approached within half a mile, which afforded con. an opportunity of keeping out, with little care and ex Mr. RICHARDSON submitted the following: pense, the fires which are so destructive to the young trees. Resolved, That a select committee on education be ap