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Reconsideration of the Road Bill.

(APRIL 15, 1830.

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been solemnly disposed of, he hoped it would not be re- / who were here were brave enough, but they wanted some vived. If, however, the reconsideration was carried, he body to head them. As to the present motion, (said Mr. should be in favor of again taking a direct vote on the bill, T.] he hoped, if the vote was reconsidered, that the ques and not laying it on the table; and, with that view, he tion would be tried on the bill again, and pot bave it laid moved a call of the House.

op the table. Mr. GORHAM demanded the yeas and nays on this mo- Mr. CROCKETT remarked that he bad always been in tion; which being taken,

favor of the road, and bad exerted himself to bave it can The motion of Mr. P. prevailed : yens, 99; days 81 ; and ried through bis district, if the western route should be the call of the members proceeded for some time, when selected. He never had believed that the bill would pass, it was, on motion, suspended.

if at all, by a great majority. For bis párt, be bad 10 Mr. CARSON then rose, and said, he voderstood that opinion of this Government's giving away power to the this motion was made and had been supported by the gen- States Suppose the States should turn round, and say, tleman from Pennsylvania, expressly on the ground that you shall not make the road. He would vote to go through the yote of yesterday was claimed as a victory by the op- any gentleman's State with a road or a canal, that was for ponents of internal improvements. I, for one, (said Mr. the good of the Union. He did not believe, be should ever C.] do claim it as a victory. It was a victory that will re- give up that doctrine. dound to the lasting honor of this House and this nation. (Soine mutual explanations here took place between Yes, sir, it was a victory over a monster wbich has been Messrs. CROCKETT and TUCKER, in reference to prelapping the life-blood of the South. Yesterday, sir, we vious remarks.] barpooned the monster, and made his blood spout glo. Mr. WILDE had regretted to see the House falling into riously. It appears, however, that bis last convulsive ago, a temper but little calculated to advance the public businies have excited the sympathy of some gentlemen, and ness. He hoped the subject would be considered calmly, they are now willing to put bim into the bands of political and decided without passion. The motion, he observed, doctors

, to have all his wounds healed, and his health, was supported on two grounds : First, that the rejection strength, and venom fully restored by next session. Sir, of the bill was claimed as a victory by those opposed to it I hope the bill will not be laid on the table. Should it be on principle; and, secondly, as an act of courtesy to the reconsidered, as I know it will be, (for the arrangement is gentleman who bad the bill in charge. If the reconsideraalready made) I am ready to meet the question again, and tion were asked merely as an act of courtesy, (said Mr. dare the friends of the bill to the contest; then let 11s see W.] he would not refuse it. As to the other ground, he who will retreat from that gallant corps who faithfully said the majority against the bill did not consist altogether united their hands, and bravely and successfully contended of those affirming the principle that the Goveroment bas for the constitution. If the bill shall be reconsidered, and Do constitutional right to construct roads ; the majority its friends then lay it on the table, we shall again claim the was made up of all parties. But, [said Mr. W.) while it vote as a victory. When I see men flying off from our is conceded that the rejection of the bill is not claimed as ranks and deserting to the other side, it does but increase a victory by those who oppose the power, will not the re. * my desire for the fight. Yes, sir, we will try it manfully, consideration be claimed as a victory for the party which hilt to bilt

. We bave won the victory once we have got affirms the power? At any rate, the effect of a reconsithe monster down-he is struggling and ready to expire, deration would be to place the bill again on the calendar, and I, for one, will keep my foot upon his neck, and hope where it may be called up again, even during the present to witness his expiriog gasp:

sessiou ; but if not at this, it will be ready for the next ses. Mr. SPENCER said, if the member from North Caro- sion, when a variety of considerations may have operated lina meant to apply his remarks to him, he repelled them. on gentlemen to give it increased strength. He bad not changed his opinion respecting the bill; but Mr. J. S. BARBOUR said, it was not usual with bim to be held himself at liberty to do so if' be saw fit. He had consume the time of the House in debate, por should he made the motion, not in consequence of any change of now trespass on its patience. I ask, however, (said Mr. opinion, but from courtesy to the gentleman who requested B.] that it bear with me for a single moment, while I offer it. He himself entertained powerful objections to the a word of explanation as to the vote I am about to give. bill, but he had not thought proper to trouble the House My vote 'stands recorded against this bill in the Journal of with them. These, however, should not restrain him from yesterday, por can I conceive any change as likely to opperforming a customary act of courtesy. He regretted cur in the condition of things, that will change that vote. that his motion bad given rise to any angry feelings, but But, respectable portions of those who sent me here, have these should not induce him to retract it.

expressed their wishes iu favor of this road, and, whilst I Mr. MERCER said, there was one peculiar reason cannot vote for the bill, it is an act of justice to others, which ought to prevail with the House to reconsider the as well as to myself, that I should lay their wishes before vote of yesterday. A gentleman, who was very desirous this House, as well as my own reasons for resisting the of proposing an amendment to the bill, had, in his bear- bill. I bad hoped that this opportuvity would have been ing, been assured, that, if he would not insist upon offer- afforded me yesterday, but I was excluded by the demand ing it then, be could bave an opportunity of offering it of the previous question, and the sense of this body suswhen the bill came into the House. The call for the pre- taining that demand. Io the hope that I may still be pervious question had cut off all opportunity of amendment, mitted to do so, I shall bow vote to reconsider the quesand all further debate, so that the bill had never been sub- tion. mitted to the test of amendment, which might have put Mr. ANGÉL said, as the people of New York felt so it in such a form as to obviate the objections of some of much on this subject, and had so large a stake in the quesits opponents, and thus to have insured its passage. tion, be regretted that the motion for reconsideration bad

Mr. TUCKER said, he had been here thirteen years, been made by his colleague, who, by his talents and cha- but had never witnessed any thing like what he had beard racter, standing at the head of the delegatior, venerable for on this bill, and he prayed God he might never see the bis years and respected for bis wisdom, gave weight to the like again. He would notice a remark of a gentleman motion. His colleagues, therefore, thought hard of it. from Tennessee, that, if they had had Tennessee boys here The object of those who desired the reconsideration was, during the war, they would bave saved the capitol. Mr. by reviving the bill, and then letting it lie on the table for T. admitted that if one from Tennessee had been here, the remainder of the session, to make it appear that this called “Old Hickory," he would have saved the capitol Congress was favorable to internal improvements. He with one-half of the militia which was present. The militia spoke for the people of New York, when be said they

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looked at this proposed road as an object that was to crush gentlemen before he employed the term. He did hope 1 them with taxation.

that geotlemen would have been willing to coucede some1,Mr. MAGEE replied that his colleague was not the sole thing to the feelings and interests of the South ; yet, after u representative of New York, and could not so speak for the decided vote of yesterday, they wanted the question

the whole State. There were more than a million of the reconsidered. He repeated the declaration, that he was people of New York in favor of internal improveinents, prepared to meet it. He wished to see whether they

and his colleague must pot assume the right to represent could pass that bill or not. As to the figure he had hapN the whole State, while she had other representatives on pened to employ, and on which the gentleman from Rhode this floor.

İsland had seen fit to animadvert, it was, perbaps, useless 1 Mr. ANGEL disclaimed any such assumption. He for him to say to the House that he had been raised among meant nothing of the sort. He only spoke in reference to the mountains, that he had never trodden academic balls

the effect of the bill, and the supposed feelings of the peo- or collegiate walks, nor bad be studied tropes and figures #ple on the subject.

of rhetoric. It might, perhaps, have been more appro. Mr. BURGES did not rise to make a speech on the mo- priate if he bad spoken of laying the monster low with a ition, but merely to deprecate, not only the feeling evine rifle. He was sorry that barpoon seemed so disagreeable ed, but the style of the discussions on this floor. Was it to the gentleman from Rhode Island; and from the knowcome to this, that the motives of gentlemen were called in ledge of that gentleman's literary acquirements, and espequestion, and the balances of interest struck for and agaiust cially of his taste for tropes and figures, of which he had

themselves, to establish those motives! Not only this, but given that House so many impressive proofs, he would, if 1 sau act of high and generous courtesy-An act of comity he had had the opportunity, bave consulted that gentle

80 fitting to the diguity of the representative office; this man, and taken bis advice before he made his speech; but, even was arraigned and opposed as unworthy. Sorry, in. as circumstances had not rendered this practicable

, the deed, (said Mr. B.) vas he to witness such a course of pro- figure was now past recall, and must go for what it was cedure. The motion, he proceeded to remark, is opposed, worth. because its success will be claimed as a victory by the Mr. MARTIN, thinking the House might meet in better friends of the bill, and mar the glory of the victory gaio- temper to-morrow for the decision of the question, moved

ed by one section of the country in its rejection. We ac- au adjouroment; but the motion was negatived by a large 1 kuowledge, (said Mr. B.] least in form, that we are majority. conquered: und we merely ask, when nt the point of the

LLLSWORTH said that it would have given him sword, a little indulgence. This will not reverse the victo- pleasure to have obliged the friends of the bill, by voting ry. Yes, sir; the victory. The rejection of a bill is term- yesterday in its favor, and he should have done so, if be ed a victory--as if we who are met here to consult on the bad supposed that it involved the mere abstract principle common weal of our common country, were deadly ene of the power of the General Government to carry on a jumies : aud. all the figures of ferocious war and bloodsbed dicious system of internal improvements, of a national are brought in to illustrate the triumph, not the imple- character. But, after all the attention he had been able ments of urdinary battle, the sword and the pistol, but the to give to the subject, he had been fully impressed with harpoon is introduced, as if the measure whiel has been the conviction that it was his duty to vote against the predestroyed, was a monster and a curse, instead of an object sent plan, as unnecessary, inexpedient, and extravagant. of great pablic utility and beneficence. Sir, this eviuces Mr. E. said he was a decided friend to national improvebad taste as well as bad feeling. And the triumph of the meuts, if they were of a judicious character. But be would South is claimed in this decision. Have we lost, sir, any ask, what single consideration had been brought forward toof the points of the compass ? Over wbom and what is this day, to induce the House, after all the discussion which victory nchieved? Is it the North or the West ? Is it come bad led to the vote of yesterday, to revise its decision! He to this, that we hear on this floor, a victory claimed by had been sorry to bear from the very honorable gentleman Code part of the Union over others ? Sir, it is not true. of Virginia, (Mr. P. P. BARBOUR] words which seemed to

The whole country is interested in this road-there is no show that that gentleman barbored a feeling he must repart which would not feel its beneficial effects. Even gret; and he was yet more sorry to hear the strain of reRhode Island, remote as she will be from it, will be bene- mark which had been indulged up by the gentleman from fited; for by this road the iron of Tennessee will be brought North Carolina, [Mr. Carson.) What was the reason which

to the markets of New England. He hoped the motion had been adduced in favor of reconsideration! The gento reconsider might prevail; that the bill might then be tleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. BUCHANAN) had declared laid on the table until vext session, and in the mean time that be sbould vote for it, because the decision of yesterbe made a popular question, and, if the sense of the peo- day was claimed as a triumpb. Let gentlemen claim what ple be in favor of it, their names might be heard, aod'the they pleased, so long as the nation and the House had sense bill become a law.

enough to perceive that the general principle of internal Mr. CARSON said, he wished to address to the House improvement was not involved, or compromitted by the a few words of explanatiou ; and in the first place, he would bill

. He was sorry ady gentleman should have claimed a say to the gentleman from New York, (Mr. SPENCER) that victory on the abstract principle. He did not believe that

it bad not been his intention to impugo that gentleman's the decision warranted any such claims. Was any new view motives in the slightest degree. He had peither affirmed of the subject pow presented to him, which ought to induce

that the gentleman had altered his constitutional opinions, bim to reconsider a vote given yesterday, after much repor that his vote for reconsideration would be evidence of flection, and under a solemo sense of duty ? He had then bis having done 80. He was also perfectly aware that bo voted according to the lights before him; and, having rechange had taken place in the sentiments of the gentleman ceived po new ligbt, he could not change his vote. from Pennsylvania; but he had heard it suggested that mom- Mr. P. P. BARBOUR rose, and said, he trusted the ing, before the House met, tbat this motion was a politicnl House would bear with him for a few moments. I should Dravauvre, and that the bill was to be got up and laid on not have risen, (said Mr. B.] but for two or three allusions the table again, for political effect. He had, certainly, which have this morning beeu made, or which I understood looked upon the vote of yesterday as a victory, and he bad to have been directed, to a remark which fell from me at called it a victory of the South, because it had a beariog the close of the debate yesterday. It would be difficult to on a question in which the whole southera portiou of the express my surprise at the information which I received Union tras not duly deeply but yitally interested. He had yesterday, for the first time, from the act of the House, not originated the word victory--it had been used by other ! and which has been further confirmed to me by several


H. OF R.)

Reconsideration of the Roud Bill.

[APRIL 15, 1830.

gentlemen this morning, ia relation to the excitement pro- your amendment, and you can offer it in the House." The duced by that remark. Sir, I have been fourteen or' fif previous question, in the mean while, bad been called, by teen years a member of this House, and I think I may ap. 1 which all amendment was precluded. He would ask, peal to all who have served with me to say whether I have therefore, as it respected this bill

, how had the ends of lenot consulted the decorum of debate to as great an extent gislation been attained! Did any one, for example, be as any gentleman who ever had a seat on this floor. Du- lieve that the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. SHEP ring the whole course of the debate on this bill, in which I PERD) would have voted for the bill, if his amendment bad myself took a part, and in which I felt the deepest and prevailed f and might not the same be true of others ? How strongest interest, I believe not one solitary word escaped easy would it be for the opponents of a bill to destroy any me, at which criticism itself could take exception, ag want measure whatever, by refusing those amendments which ing in respect to the House. I bave ever pursued one uni- would make it acceptable. The principle of the bill was form course on this floor. Wben the final question was not settled by the vote. The gentleman from Pennsylvania about to be taken ou this bill, without any knowledge what- had said that his objection was fouoded on the fact that 10 ever on which side of the question there might be most consent of the States was required. Others were opposed gentlemen absent, I presented a motion for a call of the to the bill, because it recommended the western iostead of House, in order that the question might be fully and fairly the eastern route. The bill might have been amended so taken ; and when the decision was announced, I felt, I con- as to leave the route open; and thus that objection would fess, bigbly gratified. I bad scarcely ever in my life made have been removed. If the bill should be taken up, and a motion to adjourn, but it was then past three o'clock; and laid on the table, it would remain open to amendment at after the intense feeling and strong excitement which had the pext session, and all that had been done would not be prevailed, the House was left in a state of apathy which, lost. If this was not an argument for reconsideration, he in my judgment, uofitted it to commence upon anotber did not know what argument meant. grent subject which theu came up; and, observing that Mr. A. H. SHEPPERD explained the reason for the enough had been done for glory for one day, I moved an vote be should give. If the amendment which he offered adjouroment. I had not the remotest conception of the bad been adopted, he would have voted for the bill; but imputation that would be attached to the remark. Nor he was not inclined, for the remote contingency of obtaincould I so much as conceive that a mere incidental obser- ing his amendment, to vote for the reconsideration. vation, made without a momeut's thought, and in a good Mr. ELLSWORTH would detain the House but one bumored manner, would be urged now as a reason for re moment, while he replied to the gentleman from Virginia. considering a great national question, which had been grave. That gentleman had said that Mr. E. bad not duly weighed ly decided after mature debate. I do not know if the geo- bis arguments

. He could assure that gentleman that it tleman from Pennsylvania alluded to me, wben stating the was not from any want of attention, for he always heard reason which induced him to second the motiou to recon- bim with great delight; but the bonorable geötleman would sider. (I now perceive from the motion of his head, that pardon him for consideriog the argument not entitled to so he did not.)

much weight as die seemed to suppose. When be said · Sir, when this House is called upon to reconsider a vote that no arguments bad been advanced, he meant that done which has passed, it is to be presumed that the reconsidera- had been adduced, which, in his opinion, were likely to tion is for some purpose; that it is to effect some object. have weight with the House. The gentleman said there But wbat is to be done in consequence of the reconsidera- were amendments to the bill, which might render it more tion now asked for? It seems to be avowed, on all bands, ncceptable. He put it to the gentleman to say whether, that the bill is not to be acted upon at this session, but to if the vote to reconsider should prevail, it was intended be laid upon the the table. Why, then, reconsider it? I can that amendments should be offered. If the House had well understand a motive for those gentlemen who are in agreed to the previous question, it was an iodication that favor of the bill. They will, by this course, instead of a they wished for no further light. He would ask the genrejected measure, bave it still open as an uodecided ques. tleman a question. If the House, after argument, had tion. But as to those gentlemen who voted against it, and finally disposed of the question, ought it to be urged that who tell us that they sball again vote against it, I confess the same question should be re-examined! He understood that I cannot perceive why they should go for a recousi- the House as having made up its mind; and as for the claim deration. It cannot be a satisfactory reason, that one of of victory, it moved him not a whit. If such a claim, on the opponents of the bill claimed a victory. As far as that such a vote, gave gentlemen any pleasure, they were enis referred to the remark used by me, I again disclaim all tirely welcome to enjoy it." intentiou of manifesting any thing like offensive exultation, Mr. STERIGERE was willing to grant the reconsideraor saying any thing intended to be insulting to the feel. tion if the bill was not to be taken up again during the sesings of the minority; nor could such an imputatiou have sion; but, from what had fallen from the gentleman from grown out of the remark which I made, either from the Virginia, (Mr. MERCER) there seemed to be an intention to matter or the manner of it, had not the feelings of the go into its consideration again this session. If so, he could House been too highly excited to allow it to judge with not vote for the motion. coolness on any thing that passed, I think that gentlemen, Mr. MERCER certainly believed that if the bill had on reflection, will feel the justice of this remark. taken a certain shape, it would have passed ; but, as the

Mr. MERCER, in reply to Mr. ELLSWORTH, observ. bill would be taken up next session, where it is left at this, ed, that he had understood that gentleman to say that the it would be sufficient now to reconsider, and lay it on the motion in favor of a reconsideration had not been support- table. It was now too late to introduce the amendments ed by a single argument; and though Mr. M. coufessed him which the bill required, and he should be in favor of letting self to be the last person in the House who ought to except it lie, and at the Dext session modifying it so as to leave to such a statement, because it was possible that the gen- to the President the selection of the route from Buffalo tleman had considered what he had said as no argument to New Orleans. at all, yet he must be pardoned for insisting thnt an argu- Mr. HEMPHILL concurred in the purpose of merely ment, and one which he considered as convincing, bad restoring the bill to the calendar, and letting it lie over been urged. He would like to know why the bill has been until the next session. All he desired at present was this ; committed to a Committee of the Whole ; was it not for he had no intention of pressing its consideration again the purpose of amendment ! Yet when gentlemen were during this session. prepared with amendments to offer, it had been whisper- The question was then taken on the motion for reconed to them by others in their neighborhood, " postpone sideration, and carried : yeas, 99-Days, 91.

APRIL 16 to 20, 1830.] The Army.Death of Alexander Smyth.-Tea and Coffee.-Salt.

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Mr. PEARCE then rose, and said, that, as something bad / would be sufficient to pay off the national debt as fast as been done "for glory," though not as much as he could it became due ; and as the article did not come in competi. desire, he moved that the House now adjourn; but, at the tion with any domestic product, the duty was not necessary request of several gentlemen round, withdrew the motion for protection. Further, the article was no longer one of "The vote of reconsideration baving placed the bill again luxury, but had become one of general and necessary use, at its third reading, to cut off any other motion,

and he for these reasons hoped the duty would be reduced Mr. HUBBARD moved the previous question. to one cept at the time proposed, and ultimately abolished Mr. STEPHENS moved to adjourn.

altogether. Mr. LECOMPTE demanded the yeas and Days on the Mr. BURGES suggested the propriety of fixing the adjournment; which being taken, the motion was negativ- duty at two cents. This would be a very heavy reduction, ed : : yeas, 45-Days, 134.

and he thought would be sufficient for the present. -- The call for the previous question was not seconded, the Mr. SEMMES said he would vary bis motion, so as to yeas being 83, the days 93.

strike out the two and a half cents, and leave the blank Mr. SUTHERLAND then having obtained the floor, to be filled with two or one, as the House might decide. moved to lay the bill on the table ; which motion prevail- Mr. INGERSOLL advocated the policy of gradual, not ed: yeas, 94--pays, 88; and then (at six o'clock) the House great and sudden reductions of duties. This was the rea adjourned.

son why the Committee of Ways and Means reported in

favor of two and a half dents, which was a reduction FRIDAY, APRIL 16, 1830.

of one-half

the present duty. This alone would probaTHE ARMY.

bly take off a million of revenue, and, with the reduction The House resumed the consideration of the resolution on tea, would amount to a diminution of two millions of

The best and safest policy, he argued, was a proposing a reorganization of the army, with a view to a reduction of the number of officers.

gradual reduction of duties. He feared the amendment, Mr. TUCKER, of South Carolina, made a number of the agitation of the question so long before its passage

if pressed, would embarrass, perhaps defeat, the bill; and remarks adverse to the West Point Academy, disapprov bad already ruined many merchants. ing of its administration, the mode of appointing cadets, &c.; to illustrate which, he referred to the document lately merits of the question, when he offered his amendment,

Mr. SEMMES had abstained from going fully into the reported from the department on the subject of the acade- supposing that every one was ready to vote on the subject: my; which document he had not got through reviewing, As it was opposed, however, he would offer a few 'reawhen the hour expired.

sons, more at large, in favor of his amendment : He did Adjourned to Monday.

80, and avowed that he had himself been in favor of

total abolition of the duty, for the reasons briefly stated MONDAY, APRIL 19, 1830.

above; but had yielded to the suggestions of some memDEATH OF ALEXANDER SMYTH.

bers who were practical merchants, and who thought the The Journal of Friday having been read,

total removal of the duty might afford opportunity for Mr. McCoy, of Virginia, rose, and announced to the frauds, &c., and he had accordingly agreed to keep on a House the decease, on Saturday last, of his colleague, (Mr. duty of one cent. He was in favor of repealing the duty ALEXANDER SMYTH.) Mr. McČ. said, the character of the on all articles which do not come in competition with dodeceased was too well known to Deed any eulogy from bim, mestic productions. and he would content bimself with offering the following The question on striking out two and a half was deresolution:

cided in the negative: yeas, 70-nays, 81. Resolved, That a committee be appointed to take order Mr. TAYLOR, of New York, then moved to strike out for superintending the funeral of ALEXANDER SMYTH, de- the half cent, so as to leave the duty two cents. ceased, late a member of this House, from the State of Vir- This motion prevailed: yeas, 96, gioia.

Mr. SEMMES then moved to insert an amendment to The resolution was unanimously adopted, and Messrs. reduce the duty to one cent at the expiration of a year MeCOY, ROANE, CLAIBORNE, ALEXANDER, TA. after the duty of two cents should go into operation; and, LIAFERRO, GORDON, and CRAIG were appointed the for the first time, asked the yers and nays. They were committee.

ordered ; and Op motion of Mr. McCoy, it was also

The amendment was agreed to by the following vote; Resolved, unanimously, That the members of this House yeas, 108—nays, 70. will testify their respect for the memory of ALEXANDER Mr. REED, of Massachusetts, next doved to insert a clause SMYTH, by wearing crape on the left arm for the remain- to reduce the duty on cocoa to one cent per pound. The der of the present session.

present duty is two cents; and (said Mr. R.] there were last Resolved, unanimously, That the members of this House year imported five million three hundred and thirty-one will attend the funeral of the late ALEXANDER SMYTH, this thousand pounds. The commoti price is only five cents a day at twelve o'clock.";

pound, so that the duty was a high one in proportion, and

the article entered largely into the consumption of the TUESDAY, APRIL 20, 1880.

poorer classes. He would not argue the question, but TEA AND COFFEE

hoped the amendment would prevail

. The House then took up the bill to reduce the duty on Mr. WAYNE, of Georgia, was in favor of the amend tea and coffee, with the amendment reported thereto to ment, for one reason in particular ; that as we import cocoa the Committee of the Whole. A

principally from the South American States, the reduction * The amendment respecting tea was concurred in. of the duty would tend to increase our commercial inter

The amendment fixing the daty on coffee at two and a course with those countries. half cents & pound after the 31st December, 1831, com- The amendment was agreed to without a division. ing up,

SALT. Mr. SEMMES, of Maryland, moved to amend the amendment, by striking out two and a half cents, and Mr. CONNER, of North Carolina, now renewed the inserting one cent as the duty. This duty (said Mr. S.] motion which he had made in Committee of the Whole, was not necessary for revenue, as, under any modification modified agreeably to the proposition then also mnde by of the tariff that was likely to take place, the revenue bis colleague (Mc BABRINGER) to reduce the duty on im

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H. OF R.

Organization of the Army.

1'.: (APRIL 20, 1830.

ported salt, first to fifteen cents, and at a stipulated period | geotleman seemed to believe. Mr. T. said, he would ask thereafter to ten cents a busbel; and be demanded the the gentleman from New York to say whether he did or yeas and nays on the question.

did not believe that as many as one-third of the eadets Mr. BARRINGER spoke at considerable length, and who had been admitted into this institution were sons or with earnestness. in support of the amendment.

near relations of the characters embraced in the resolution Mr. GORHAM was opposed to trying this often debat- which called on the Secretary of War for this report ; aad ed and long contested question of a dimination or aboli- if not one-third, then to say what proportion he does betion of the salt duty on this bill, which was of great im. lieve. portance, had been reported unanimously, and received (Here Mr. TAYLOR spoke in explavation.) the general assent of the House, and might be defeated Mr. T. resumed his remarks, and said, if he had not unif this amendment prevailed, or was again debated at large. derstood the gentleman at first, in every particular, the He, therefore, for the first time in his life, moved the pre- gentleman's statement now is about the same in substance vious question; but withdrew it at the request of as be first understood it. But (said be] the gentleman

Mr. McDUFFIE, who avowed his opposition to the salt from New York bas been a member of Congress longer duty as one of the most odious and oppressive features of than be (Mr. T.) had, and he lived in the State where this the system by which the South was burdened ; but, if the institution is located, and ought to know more about it amendment were adopted, it would not only embarrass the than he [Mr. T.) possibly could. Yet, he was bound to bill, but possibly defeat it. He hoped, therefore, the mo. believe that the gentleman was grossly mistaken. Mr. T. tion would be withdrawn, and not force a resort to the proceeded to say, that he had made some inquiry in relaprevious question, especially as there was a bill to come tion to this matter, and, so far as his inquiry extended, it up (which be påmed) on which the motion would be con- was demonstrable that he could not be mistaken in his views sistent and proper.

of it. But [said he) the gentleman from New York (Mr. Mr. CONNER denied that the motion would embarrass TAYLOR] said, this is not a matter for us to settle; that or defeat the bill, because, if there was a majority for the it is a subject for the people to settle; that they are amendment, the same majority would pass the bill

. He, the proper judges; and that, if there be any thing wrong therefore, for this and other reasons which be stated, but in it, they will correct it.' Mr. T. said that be did moet could not be distinctly heard, insisted on the amendment. heartily concur with the gentleman from New York, that

Mr. McDUFFLE then moved the previous question, the people are the proper judges, and that they are much which was seconded by a majority of the House.

safer and better judges of this matter than a few politiMr. BARRINGER demanded the yeas and nays on the cians who are individually interested in it; and what Mr. previous question; which were taken, and the main ques. T. wanted, and what be believed every other gentleman lion was ordered : yeas, 107-naya, 75.

opposed to this institution upon its present principle, and The main question was accordingly put, (on the en- also opposed to the having more officers in the pay of the grossment of the bill,) and carried, and the bill ordered to a Government than is really necessary, want to be done, is, third reading

for the whole matter connected with this institution to be ORGANIZATION OF THE ARMY.

published, and for every thing in relation to it fairly and

plainly presented to the people in its true colors, and for The House resumed the consideration of the resolution them to judge of it, and decide upon its propriety and juscalling on the Secretary of War to report a new organiza- tice. It is on the people [Mr. T. observed) that he de tion of the army, with a view to a reduction of the num pended for the correction of all such abuses as he believes ber of officers.

this to be. Mr. T. anid, in continuance, that although the [ Mr. TUCKER concluded his remarks. He began by report fell far short of giving a full and plain account of saying he should not have troubled the House at this time, this matter, yet, in his judgment, it contained information but for the remarks of the gentleman from New York, [Mr. enough to prove to the satisfaction of the people that this TAYLOR) and for the purpose of adding a few words to policy was unjust and dangerous in a republican Governwhat had been said by the gentleman from Tennessee, ment; at least, the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. DESHA] [Mr. DESHA]

said that the cadets were educated at the public expense ; Mr. T. said, if he understood the gentleman from New and what Mr. T. wished to add, was, that they are not York [Mr. Taylor) correctly, (and he believed be did, only educated at the public expense, but that they are also but if he had not, he hoped the gentleman would correct paid sixteen dollars a month and two rations a day, for obhim,) that gentleman said that the report of the Secre- taining their education, making three hundred and thirtytary of War was a valuable document, in as much as it eight dollars a year that each cadet receives from the Goproves, conclusively, that out of two thousand some odd vernment, in addition to their being educated at the pubhundreds of cadets, who had been admitted into the West lic expense. Some gentlemen (said be] try to do away Point Academy, there were only fifteen or sixteen who this fact, by saying that this money goes to pay for their were sons of members of Congress; and it proved, also, board, clothing, and the like: but they cannot change the that the reports against that institution were groundless. fact, for they do get the money, (Baid, he] or the same Mr. T. said, 'if this document proves such to be the fact, thing, as if it were paid to them in their own hands, and it proves that which is false. He did not charge the Se disposed of by them as they might think proper, in as much cretary of War with stating any thing that he knew to be as this money goes to pay for those things which the cafalse ; far from it; be believed that the Secretary had given dets would otherwise bave to pay for out of their own all the information in relation to the subject that he could pockets, and which, in his judgment they ought to do. get; but he was of opinion this document proves that some Mr. T. said, when this institution was first established, the of the officers of the institution had not done their duty: whole number of cadets and officers, all together, never that is to say, they bad not given the Secretary of War as was to exceed twenty at any one time, and the cadets were much information in relation to this matter, as they ought to be instructed in the sciences which appertain to the duto bave done, or should have been able to do, at least.ties of engineers, and not officers to command our armies. But (said be) there are some important facts contained in Aud what is it now come to ! (said be.] The principle is this report

, which, in his judgment, made the document changed; they are pot only to discharge the duties of enof great value. So, whilst the gentlemap from New York gineers, but they are also to command our armies, and he [Mr. TAYLOR] believed this document valuable; to answer believed that much more than one half of the cadets who the purpose he seems to imagine, he [M. TUCKER] be had been admitted into this institution, so soon as they lieved it to be valuable, to prove the reverse of what that! acquired sufficient (education to answer their purposes,

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