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Retrenchment

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Mr. WILDE inquired of the mover whether any reso thought this was the best course, and moved to amend the lution had been reported from the Committee on Retrench-resolution as follows: ment showing the existence and the extent of such an After the words House of Representatives, strike out abuse as the gentleman seemed to refer to. Without the the balance of the resolution, and insert; “Shall audit, at most convincing evidence of the fact, he should not be each session of Congress, and pay, out of the contingent willing to vote for such a resolution as this. He had al. funds of each House, the accounts for stationary of the ways been opposed to the sanctioning, except on evidence members of each House, actually paid by them: not to the most incontestable, any self-condemnatory ordinance. exceed the sum of ten dollars for each member, during one He had occasion, some years ago, to say to the House. session: And that the practice of furnishing stationary to A fronte recedentes Imperii.He thought the House had the members, from the secretary's and clerk's offices, be done this. They had receded from the front of empire discontinued.” by stigmatizing their own body. The conduct referred to Mr. EVERETT said he was opposed to the amendment, in this resolution was admitted by all to be unworthy of for the same reasons for which he was opposed to the orimembers of this House, and he would not ihrow before ginal resolution. He had opposed it in the Committee of the public an imputation of it to them without the fullest Retrenchment, and must vote against it in the House. proof.

He should not go into any calculation, as to the number or Mr. WICKLIFFE spoke in reply. He said that he kind of documents which had been folded in the public could not believe that the House would be guilty of sink- paper. The gentleman from Kentucky, (Mr. WICKLIFFE] ing its own character in endeavoring to introduce some had made a statement of abuses-for abuses (Mr. E. adthing like system and economy in its expenditures. If the mitted) they were—which had taken place, in this respect, gentleman would read the report made by the Committee on one side of the question, and had been candid enough of Retrenchment, ai the last session, and would compare to admit that similar abuses had taken place on the other it with the instructions given by the House to that Com- side of the question. This is, perhaps, all that is necessamittee, he would see that their duties had special reference ry to say, on this point, with the addition of one qualificato the expenditures of this House. The Committee had tion. Mr. E. believed that the abuses, which the gentlenot proposed to retrench any of the expenditures in the man had not specified, were at least equal to those which departments, however great might be their amount, if they he had. But he should say no more about it; they considered them necessary to a correct administration of were abuses on whatever side they took place. He the affairs of this Government In the course of the in was opposed to the resolution and amendment, because vestigation, the Committee became fully satisfied that the the subject-matter one which we cannot regulate original purpose, had in view by the House, in furnishing by public enactment. It is one of those things which must stationary to its members, had been greatly perverted by be left to public sentiment, or the private sentiment which an improper use of the privilege. He did not pretend to exists in the bosom of every member. He was, himself, say who had been most to blame, or who had been to willing to do away with this whole apparatus, of which the blame at all in this matter. He would not say that he was stationary is a part. He was willing to have the hall swept himself wholly exempt from the deserved censure. It was and garnished-cleared of these incumbrances, and excluhighly probable that, partly from the force of habit, and sively appropriated to the objects for which it was conpartly from the influence of the example of others around structed, and the members of the House were convened. him, he might have been induced to extend this privilege But he believed it was out of the question to attempt to beyond its proper limits. He would state one or two facts remove the desks; and while they remain, it seemed not to the House : within the first sixty days of the last session worth while to attempt to do away the supply of a few there had been printed, (as he understood and had reason sheets of paper, pens, and ink, furnished at the desks. to believe, for he could not speak with absolute certainty) And how can you draw a line between furnishing these within this District, between thirty and forty thousand co. small articles, and those lavish expenditures, justly compies of the Richmond address, besides ten thousand copies plained of, by any thing but the operation of a sense of of the North Carolina address, and several thousand of the honor on the part of the members of the House, or of address from Washington, in Pennsylvania. All these had publie sentiment upon them. If any thing could be effectbeen folded and wrapped up in the folding rooms of this ed by regulations, we have them already. By what right House, or at least out of the stationary furnished for the are reams, he had almost said cart loads, of paper furnished use of members. Besides these, two other documents had for the folding of electioneering pamphlets? Who furbeen put up in like manner ; one of them purporting to be nishes it? Who pays for it? Have we no executive offia copy of the official documents respecting the Six Militia- cers of this House ? Have we no Committees of Accounts ? men ; the other was a document purporting to have been Must any thing, and every thing, in the shape of an acwritten by a gentleman from Ohio, but whose contents count, be passed ? Mr. E. asked not to be mistaken. He were known to those only who had read it He did not say cast no censure on the officers, or the Committees of the or insinuate that a similar practice had not prevailed on House. They would go as far, no doubt, as the House the other side of the late great political controversy. No would support them. But of what use was it, to pass a doubt great abuses had taken place on both sides. But this resolution directing the Secretary of the Senate and Clerk formed only an additional reason why the resolution ought of the House 'to do that, which they were already able to to be adopted. If any gentleman would compare the ac do in the general discharge of their duty. Mr. E. thought count for stationary furnished at the last session, with that a protracted debate on this subject, at a moment when so of any preceding year, he could not resist the impression much business of importance was before the House, was that more of the public stationary had been consumed than inexpedient; and, for this reason, moved to lay the resolawas called for by the business of this House.

tion on the table. Mr. STORRS said that there had, perhaps, been some The motion of Mr. E. was determined in the negative. abuse in the matter referred to in the resolution, and he Mr. BATES, of Missouri, said he was not quite sure that thought it should be corrected. The amount consumed it would be considered proper for him to meddle in queslast year for stationary, he had been informed, was up tions of this sort ; but of this he was sure, that he would wards of six thousand dollars. There was convenience, think and speak upon this subjectas disinterestedly as any too, in permitting members to purchase their own station- gentlemen here. My days on this floor (said Mr. B.) are ary. By a specific allowance this may be done, and from numbered, and are few ; as a member of this body, therethree to four thousand dollars cut off from the expenditure fore, I cannot be greatly affected by any new course that If members were to be allowed any stationary at all, he may now be adopted. I have always understood that the

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practice of supplying members with public stationary was no personal interest ; for with this session ends my politifor the good of the public, and not as a personal kind- cal career. But I am anxious to leave to my successor the ness to the members of this House—for the purpose of fa same convenient means of diffusing light and knowledge cilitating the diffusion of useful knowledge among the peo among his constituents which I have enjoyed. And I asple, and not partaking in any degree of the character of sure the House that this privilege is of great importance individual interest. I never, for an instant, supposed that to us, who are located on the confines of civilization, where my right to use the public paper and to frank packages, the ordinary means of political information are but sparsewas designed as a personal boop to me, but have always | ly scattered. Without the knowledge consequent upon acted upon the idea that it was the privilege of my con the enjoyment of the privilege in question, we of the fronstituents, intended exclusively for their benefit. It is the tier would remain in benighted ignorance of more than half established practice of the House to order the printing of of the facts that constitute our political history. For these great numbers of public documents for the use of the peo- reasons, I am against the resolution, in every form in which ple, evidently not to be read by us, because they are folded it can be moulded. and sealed, and placed on our desks, ready to be franked Mr. VANCE now expressed his intention of moving an and mailed. This privilege is highly useful to the public, amendment, which he could not now do, as that of the and it is no valid argument against it that it is liable to be, gentleman from New York (Mr. STORRS] was pending, or actually has been, abused. Every other good thing is but which he read in his place. obnoxious to the saine objection. Sir, it is the theory of Mr. STORRS said that the gentleman from Ohio had our Government, and I believe that it is very true in fact, shown him the amendment he was about to offer, and he that any man, whom forty or fifty thousand people may would withdraw his own, that the gentleman might offer consider fit to represent thein on this floor, is entitled to it to the House ; and he should certainly vote for it. If it have imputed to him some little touch of discretion and failed he should renew his own, that the allowance should honesty. If the consciousness of the dignity of a seat be limited somewhere. here, or a consciousness of personal respectability among Mr. VANCE then offered his amendment, and said that individual members, cannot restrain a dishonest propensity the only argument he would urge in its favor was to deto mean and grovelling peculations on the public, I shall mand upon its adoption the yeas and nays. despair of the efficacy of any rules we may adopt. The The yeas and nays were thereupon ordered. privilege of using public stationary must be withheld alto The amendment moved by Mr. VANCE was as follows: gether, or the regulation will lead to consequences infi-Strike out all the resolution after the word assembled, nitely worse than those already existing. You cannot en and insert, “ That, after the present session of Congress, force the modified enjoyment of the privilege, as proposed no stationary shall be furnished to members of Congress at in the resolution, without the exercise of an inquisitorial the public expense." power over members, dishonorable alike to those who ex Mr. CAMBRELENG considered this whole matter as ercise, and those who are subject to it. The abuses re a small concern. He had yielded his consent in the Comferred to by the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Wick- mittee that it should be offered to the House, but had reLIFFE), arising out of the high political excitement at the served his right to act respecting it, upon this floor, as his last session of Congress, are not to be wondered at. They views of propriety might dictate. He did believe the priwill occur on both sides, whenever such extraordinary ex- vilege referred to had, in some cases, been grossly abused; cilement prevails. The public curiosity on such occasions but there were laws already in existence sufficient to preis on the gape for news from the Seat of Government, and vent such abuse, if duly enforced ; and therefore he should it is no matter of surprise that errors of judgment should move that the farıher consideration of the resolution be insometimes be comınitted, as to the importance of the mat- definitely postponed. ter diffused among the people. The abundance of our On this motion Mr. WILLIAMS demanded the yeas self-love makes us prone enough to consider every thing and nays. thal concerns ourselves as of sufficient importance to be Mr. WEEMS was against the indefinite postponement, worthy of a circulation.

and against the original resolution, but in favor of the I am entirely opposed to the amendment offered by the amendment offered by Mr. VANCE. Unless a very libgentleman from New York (Mr. STORRS), because I think eral allowance for stationary was permitted to the members, it would operate injuriously upon the public interest ; and he for one should prefer to have no allowance at all, rather I am no less opposed to the original resolution, because it than submit to any pitiful allowance, or indeed to any is liable to the same objection ; and, if the end were desir- fixed limit on this subject. He would cheerfully pay the able, I believe it inadequate to the intended object. The expense of his own stationary. resolution proposes that the Secretary of the Senate and Mr. BARNEY was opposed to the indefinite postponethe Clerk of this House shall prohibit the use of the public ment, because he was unwilling that the resolution should stationary, except for the purposes indicated. How is it be disposed of by a side blow. He was for meeting it fairpossible they can effect this object? So long as we are ly. If the motion should not prevail, he would move to authorized to draw stationary, by applying to the subordi- make the amendment of the gentleman from Ohio so to nate officers of this House, who will undertake to regu- operate as to cause the supply of stationary to cease, not late the uses we shall make of it in our private rooms? If at the commencement of the next session, but from the the Clerk should come on an inquisitorial visit, to ascertain time of the passage of this resolution. Let not gentlemen whether we secretly conform to the rules of this House, cut short the privileges of their successors while they sparhe would probably find the door slammed in his face. No, ed their own. sir, the members of this House are supposed to have, and Mr. VANCE said that, if it were in order (which he in fact have, a reasonable degree of discretion, and a pro- knew it was not), he would cheerfully accept such a modiper sense of the honor and dignity of their station. It is fication of his amendment. safer to trust to the exercise of these feelings, for the ac Mr. WICKLIFFE said that, as to the propriety of adoptcomplishment of the object designed, than to gain a small ing either the original resolution or the amendment, or possible advantage by the infliction of a certain evil, ag- of postponing both indefinitely, although the gentleman gravated by a very unworthy imputation upon the mem- from New York (Mr. CAMBRELENG) had seen fit to denoinibers of this House. I believe I have not had a dozen nate the whole a small business, still the resolution having packages folded this session, beyond those furnished by or received the votes of a majority of the Committee on Reder of the House ; and I shall have occasion for very few trenchment, and he having in obedience to that Conimittee more before the end of the session. I, therefore, can have reported it to the House, he felt himself called upon to

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Georgia Claims.- Lotteries in Washington

(JAN 23, 1829.

make one or two observations He could not perceive ex referred, and whose decision, they have also agreed, should actly how those gentlemen, who had been last session zea be final and conclusive. The Committee have no official lous in the cause of retrenchment and reform, could pos- information of any decision, which may have been made sibly be opposed to a resolution like this—a resolution upon any of those claims, which, in their opinion, calls for which proposed to correct, by the authority of this House, the intervention of Congress; and believing that the Preabuses existing within its own domicil, and which, what. sident has power to liquidate and adjust any which ought ever gentlemen might say to the contrary, did call for cor to be paid, deem it inexpedient to legislate upon the subject, rection in some shape or other. He would inquire of the and the Committee, therefore, ask to be discharged from gentleman from New York, whether a waste of the public the further consideration of the subject.” stationery to the amount of two or three thousand dollars

LOTTERIES IN WASHINGTON. annually, was not as worthy of that gentleman's attention, as three or four hundred dollars expended for newspapers The bill to continue in force the provisions of “An act in one of the Departments. The amount, it was true, to authorize the Corporation of the City of Washington to might not be of any great magnitude, yet it was a mani- draw Lotteries," was considered in Committee of the Whole, fest abuse. Whether it was one which had sprung from and occasioned some debate. a sudden emergency, or had insensibly grown up from a Mr. SILAS WOOD, of New York, objected to the bill, course of gradual indulgence, he would leave to the gen on the general ground of the pernicious tendency of lotteries tleman from Missouri to determine. All gentlemen seem upon the morals of society. to admit that the abuse had existed. The gentleman from Mr. INGERSOLL explained the reasons why the ComMissouri might say that this resolution would not correct mittee on the District had reported the bill. He disapit ; but, for himself, he was satisfied that it would. But, proved of lotteries as much as the gentleman from New should even this be evaded, no doubt that gentleman's in- | York; and if this were a proposition for the original grant genuity would soon suggest a remedy. Very possibly he of one, he should take the same ground, and certainly op(Mr. W.) might be situated in the same manner as the pose it; but it was merely for the renewal of a privilege gentleman from Missouri. It was very possible that he formerly granted. Mr. I. then went into an explanation too might have but a few remaining days to spend here. of the circumstances of the case. The bill did not release That was a matter which did not depend on his own will. the Corporation from its existing liabilities, and he thought The resolution did not go to prohibit such a use of the the experience of that body was a very sufficient security public stationery as the will of Congress had permitted to that they would take good bonds for the future. the predecessors of those who now constituted that body. Mr. KREMER warmly opposed the bill. He had opIt was only intended to prohibit its application to matters posed it in Committee, and would oppose it in the House. not connected with the business of legislation. Would What security did that House possess, that, if they should this House raise a Committee for the express purpose of pass the bill, the Corporation would not do the same thing pointing out existing abuses, with a view to their correction, again? Then another loss would happen, and the same and then, as soon as the Committee pointed out an abuse, argument would be urged upon the House again. Was and proposed a remedy, immediately vote it down, because it wise and prudent to encourage lotteries? If it was not, it might possibly lead to abuse in some other form? Would the House ought not to do it. If an evil was committed not the adoption of such a resolution as this make its ap

ten years ago, that was no reason that it should be compeal to the moral feelings of a succeeding Congress? Was mitted now. The Corporation of Washington, it seemed, it to be believed, that, in the face of such a resolution, had made a bad bargain, and now that was urged as an armembers of this House would send their stationery to their gument why the House should give them an opportunity private lodgings, in violation both of its spirit and letter? of making another bad bargain. If such a member was to be found, and the fact could be Mr. WEEMS would not attempt to justify lotteries: proved upon him, any gentleman that would move for his that might be an invidious way of taxing the people, and in expulsion should have his zealous support.

that respect was not much unlike the tariff; but the ĪThe further discussion of the resolution was here cut House, by its own act, had tempted the Corporation of short by the expiration of the hour allotted to reports and Washington into the evil, if it was one, and they, from a resolutions.]

misplaced confidence, had lost upwards of one hundred GEORGIA CLAIMS.

thousand dollars. This they had lost through the instru

mentality of Congress. They had lost it without any fault The House resumed the consideration of the report of on their part; and now the House was in some sort bound the Conimittee on Indian Affairs, of the 5th of February to give them an opportunity of retrieving the loss. The last, on the expediency of providing by law to carry into gentleman from Pennsylvania (Rr. KREMER! appeared full effect the fourth article of the treaty of the 8th of to be very much afraid that the Corporation would make January, 1821, between the United States and the Creek the same sort of bargain a second time ; but surely the Indians, so far as it relates to the claims of the citizens of gentleman must have heard the old adage, that a “burnt the State of Georgia against the said Indians, for injuries child would avoid the fire.” There was not the least prior to the year 1002.

doubt that they would take good care to secure themselves The question recurred on the motion made by Mr. thoroughly hereafter. The House was the guardian of THOMPSON, on the 16th instant, to strike out from the this city, and if Lotteries were so injurious and improper, last paragraph of said report, the word " inexpedient," and the House, as a guardian, ought to have withheld its conto insert, in lieu thereof, the word “ expedient.”

sent when the first bill was asked at their hands; but hayAnd the question being put, was decided by yeas and ing granted it then, and the grant having proved injurious nays, as follows: Yeas, 76—nays, 87.

instead of beneficial, they ought now to allow the CorpoThe said report was then concurred in by the House ; ration a chance of at least retrieving the loss which it had the concluding paragraph of which is as follows:

innocently incurred. “ Your Committee, however, entertain the opinion, that Mr. KREMER rejoined. He had just been told that it is entirely competent for the President of the United a burnt child would dread the fire ; and if that was true, it States to allow, and cause to be paid, any and all such was the strongest of all arguments against the bill. For claims intended to be provided for in said treaty, if, indeed, what had the gentleman said to the House : “ You are a any such exist, which have not been already adjusted and guardian, and through your act your child has been burnt." paid. The President is the tribunal to which the citizens Surely this was a good reason why the guardian should of Georgia have expressly agreed their claims should be not let its child burn itself a second time. Ten years ago

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a former Congress lempted the child, and said, “ You Mr. VANCE then said that he had no disposition to shail taste this evil,” but if another Congress had com debar gentleinen from the ordinary use of stationery in mitted sin, it formed no reason why we should do the same. the House, as heretofore, nor would such be the effect of If, said Mr. K. we are guardians, let us show our guardian his amendment. The business of the House would procare in some better manner than by legalizing the prac- ceed as usual. As to correspondence, he could hold up as tice of gambling. He concluded by observing, that, much large a bundle of letters as the gentleman from Kentucky; rather than pass this bill, he would vote to put an end to [which he did.] A great noise had been made on the the practice of selling lottery tickets within the District. subject of reformation and retrenchment; but, after wait

Mr. WEEMS said he was sorry, that, instead of com- ing so long, what had the House received ? Three bills paring the House to a guardian, he had not compared it and one resolution. One of the bills proposed to make to a physician, and the corporation to a burnt child, ask an alteration in the mode of furnishing the forage of offiing for a huge plaster to cover the sore place.

cers in the army; another cut up the appropriation for the Mr. MARTIN had not had an opportunity of consulting Indian department ; the last was to discontinue secret the original bill, which the present one proposed to extend : service money during peace; and now the honorable genand on his motion the bill was laid aside for the pre- tleman's resolution went to save a few reams of paper. sent, and, subsequently, postponed to the following Friday. He would not say that he was more fit or more disposed

to discover objects for retrenchment than the gentleman ; SATURDAY, JANUARY 24, 1829.

but he really thought, if he was honored with a place in

that committee, he could find more worthy objects than RETRENCHMENT.

these. He would bring in a bill to take off five thousand dolThe resolution from the Committee on Retrenchment, lars a year from the President's salary; he would take off the on the subject of stationery, coming up,

Speaker's extra pay; and he would dock off something Mr. WICKLIFFE said that it had been his intention from the pay of the members of this House. This would to go into detail, as to the objects intended to be effected be doing something. Such a bill would be worth reportby the resolution, and to have responded to some of the ing. As to the present resolution, seeing that it had come arguments which had been advanced in opposition 10 it ; into the House, he, for oue, was prepared to meet it; he but, understanding, this morning, from the Chairman of was ready, for his own part, lo pay for all the stationery the Committee on Retrenchment, that it was his desire he made use of; it would not cost him more than six dolthat this subject should be incorporated in a general bill, lars, with which sum he could diffuse all useful informanow preparing by the Committee, intended to include tion through his district, as well as if any quantity of pathis, with various other kindred subjects, he should for per should be furnished hiin out of the public purse. bear, and would say nothing more on the subject, at the ir HAMILTON said that he was exceedingly happy present time-intending, however, to explain his views, that the gentleman from Ohio had indicated so keen an as a member of the Committee, in relation to it. The appetite for retrenchment, and hence he hoped that the reason why this matter has been brought forward in a se Committee would have the benefit of his co-operation parate resolution was, that, as the abuse was obvious, it throughout the discussion of their measures; but it is a had been supposed that a measure to correct it would little hard that the eagerness of the appetite of the genhave excited no debate, although a general bill might tleman should be such, that he should be tor proceeding to have that effect. But he would say, that, while he was the banquet before half the dishes are served up. Perdisposed to remedy all abuses, and any abuse, by whom- mit me to assure him, that, before the Committee have soever committed, he would never, for any object politi- finished their labors, he will have subjects sufficiently cal or personal, sanction any measure which would tend comprehensive and various for the full exercise of his pato prevent the just and fair administration of the Govern triotism and love of frugality. It is true, sir, that the

This he said, in reference to the amendment of Committee have reported but four or five bills as yet, and fered by the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. Vance) to which one resolution ; and those not the most important in conhe was entirely opposed. The use of a certain amount nexion with our late investigations. Other bills, however, of stationery was necessary and proper, and ought to be are in progress and preparation, and, I trust, in the course furnished to the House, at the public expense. (In evi- of the next week, that they will all be presented to the dence of which, he held up to the view of the House a House. This delay no one regrets more than myself, bundle of letters received by him that day through the more especially as it resulted from my own absence at mail.] He would allow the use of stationery for purposes the early part of the session. It has so happened, that of a public kind, but not for those of a private and per- the discussion has commenced on one of the most inconsisonal character.

derable items of retrenchment which the Committee have Mr. CAMBRELENG, referring to the desire of the recommended. Yet, he trusted that, minute as was the Chairman of the Committee on Retrenchment, withdrew subject, it might find its apology in this truth, that, howhis motion for indefinite postponement.

ever wrong it might be that charity should begin at home, Mr. HAMILTON said thai he rose for the purpose of it was right that retrenchment should do so. But he confirming what had fallen from his friend from Kentucky, frankly confessed, he was greatly opposed to a waste of in relation to the bill now in preparation, in the Commit- time on one item of the retrenchments of this House, tee on Retrenchment, which had for its object to retrench when, perhaps, the same consumption of time would be the expenses of this House, contingent and otherwise ; sufficient for a full consideration of all the savings which and, as one debate would probably answer for what form- the Committee designed, in their bill, to propose for the ed the purport of the resolution now under consideration, consideration and adoption of the House. With this view, and the whole subject-matter of the bill, he would move he should renew his motion. that, for the present, the resolution should lie on the ta He could not, however, take his seat, without saying ble ; with, however, an understanding that it should form one word to the gentleman from Ohio, in relation to one one of the sections of the bill about to be reported, in or- of his complaints against the Committee on Retrenchder that the sense of the House might be taken on it. I ment, when he asks why we have not proposed a reductherefore move you (said Mr. H.] that the resolution lie tion of the President's salary? Now, sir, I beg that genon the table.

tleman to understand, that, whatever may be the opinion Mr. VANCE indicating a wish that Mr. HAMILTON of the other members of that Committee, which I do not should withdraw his motion, to give him an opportunity profess to know, that, for one, I would go with him, heart of replying to Mr. WICKLIFFE, Mr. H. withdrew it. and hand, in any such reduction which would free the

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Georgia Claims.-Claims of Maison Rouge et al.Cumberland Road.

[Jan. 26, 1829.

Executive of our country from the necessity of keeping a It was so ordered : and the yeas and nays being taken' sort of public hotel, at the public expense, in which he was stood as follows: yeas 106, nays 62. constrained to enter into court mummeries, in baffled ri So the resolution was ordered to lie on the table. valship with the foreign ministers, every one of whom, because they were allowed more money than imself, beat

GEORGIA CLAIMS. him in the splendor and costliness of their entertainment; Mr. DANIEL moved a re-consideration of the vote by whilst, therefore, we call upon our President to keep a which the amendment going to reverse the report of the public house, for the entertainment of all who may come, Committee on Indian Affairs upon the Georgia claims, had the salary was too small, he, however, would unite with been decided in the negative. the gentleman in any proposition he might bring forward, Mr. HAYNES supported the motion, and assured the to give to our Executive the domestic consolation of hav- House that, it the motion were suffered to prevail, the subing really his own house, by putting his salary on the ject would not be pressed upon its attention again during footing of the income and living of a private gentleman, the session. which he thought infinitely more in harmony with our in The motion was further advocated by Mr. CULPEPER; stitutions than the present relations which, in his expendi- and the question being put, the House determined to retures, the President was expected to maintain towards the consider its vole. the whole of the country, if they thought proper to visit the Mr. HAYNES then moved that the report and amendSeat of Government.

ment be laid upon the table ; which was carried, and they In conclusion, he would repeat his great satisfaction in were laid upon the table accordingly. having so zealous an ally as the gentleman from Ohio, in the great cause of retrenchment; and, if it were in order, he should be inclined to move that that gentleman be ad

MONDAY, JANUARY 26, 1829. ded to the committee, that they might avail themselves CLAIMS OF MAISON ROUGE ET AL. still more effectually of his ardor. But, at all events, they would count upon him, whether they hunted a mouse, or

Mr. BUCKNER, from the Committee on Private Land an elephant, or even started a lion from his lair.

Claims, reported, with amendments, the bill from the SenMr. VANCE observed, in reply, that, if any member of ate to provide for the legal adjudication and seitlement of that Committee was about to resign, so as to leave a vacancy,

the claims to lands under the Marquis de Maison Rouge, he did not doubt he should make a very good substitute.

the Baron de Bastrop, and Elisha Winter. The amendMr. LONG observed, although opposed to the principle ments were read, and concurred in by the House. contained in the resolution, he would prefer meeting the

This bill having been iwice read, and being about to be question now, and was glad the gentleman from South ordered to its third reading, Carolina had withdrawn his motion to lay the resolution

Mr. SEVIER opposed it, on the ground that it ordered on the table. If economy be the object, and the resolution the case of Winter to be adjudicated with the others, not is to pass, he thought the House ought to act promptly ; in Arkansas, where the lands were situated, but in the he was not sure but it would have been something more

Courts of Louisiana. of a saving to the Government, if the resolution had been Mr. BUCKNER replied, and advocated the bill, mainpassed yesterday, inasmuch as it had been suggested that taining that it was sufficiently guarded, and that the claim there had been, in the course of the last evening, I will

was quite as likely to be fairly settled in the Courts of not say in anticipation of the passage of the resolution, Louisiana, where no local interests or feelings would be some pretty heavy draughts made in the stationery. Should involved, as in the immediate vicivity of the lands. it be posi poned a tew days longer, it would afford ample that it was as much the interest of the United States as it

Mr. ISACKS took similar ground, and argued to show opportunity for all the members to be furnished in the same way; consequently it must lose its effect for the present

was of these claimants, that the pending questions should Congress. Mr. L. would say a word in relation to ihe be brought to some issue, and the vast tracts of tertile land remarks of the gentleman from Kentucky, (Mr. WICKLIFFE] Implicated in the result should be thrown open to entermade yesterday on the subject of the resolution now under prise and improvement. consideration; he did not, at the time, so particularly no

Mr. TAYLOR had no objections to the bill so far as tice the observations; but in his printed speech, which he claims of Bastrop and Maison Rouge were concerned, appears in the morning's paper, he has given a tolerable but contended that there was no necessity or propriety in mipute statement of the number of copies of the Richmond including Winter's claim with the others, as it stood on address, ihe North Carolina address, and Militia docu- different ground, and might be seliled by an ordinary ejectments, which he said had all been wrapped up in the fold- ment suit. Mr. T. was about to offer an amendment to ing rooms. This information is given and gone abroad the bill, when, on suggestion of Mr. BARTLETT, the for the benefit of the people. Now, no doubt, it is equally bill was examined by the Clerk, to see if it contained an desirable that the people should be informed as to the appropriating clause--and such clause being discovered, number of copies of the Telegraph extra, &c., which was

ihe bili was required, by the rules of the House, to be conabout that time circulated in the same way. He had no

sidered in Committee of the Whole ; and it was so redoubt the gentleman had it in his power to give this in- ferred accordingly. formation, which, perhaps, might be deemed of as much

CUMBERLAND ROAD. importance as the parts he had communicated so minutely.

The House then went into Committee of the Whole, Mr. HAMILTON said that it was to economize time, and again took up the bill for the preservation and repair which in this House was money, for he believed they sat of the Cumberland Road. at a cost of sume two or three hundred dollars per hour to Mr. FORT said that the embarrassment he should at the people, that he made his morion ; and because he was any time feel in altempling to address that body was insa lisfied that preuy nearly the same amount of discussion creased by the circumstance of not knowing, till this mowould take place on this resolution as would be likely to ment, that an opportunity would be given him to occupy the ensue on the bill for the whole retrenchment of the House, floor on this day. Although I am sensible (said Mr. F.] he would now renew his motion, with a fixed determina- of the wide range of argument opened by the subject untion not again to withdraw it.

der consideration, I shall, as far as practicable, avoid en: Mr. VANCE demanded that the question on laying the tering into its details. It would be vain for me 10 expect resolution on the table be taken by yeas and nays.

the attention of the Committee should I attempt lo

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