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FEB. 2, 1837.)

Indian Approprialion Bill.

(H. or R.

On motion of Mr. CAMBRELENG, the House, by feared, then, that these contractors will hasten the pasgeneral consent, took up, on their final passage, the en- sage, and limit its expenses, to the wrong and suffering grossed bills before mentioned.

of the Indians, men, women, and children, committed to The bill making appropriations for the support of the their charge?' It is their removal which the Government army for the year 1837 was read a third time and demands; ibat accomplished, it takes no further thought passed.

for them; they will be given over to the tender mercies of The bill making appropriations for the current ex- the contractors. These consequences are to be apprepenses of the Indian department, &c., having been hended from the character of the present scheme of Inread a third time, and the question being on its final pas- dian removals. sage

But (said Mr. G.) we have information on this topic, Mr. GRENNELL said he had not intended to address and are not left to conjectures, to vague apprehensions, the House on this bill. He knew it would pass. But, nor to any deductions drawn from the love of gain so since the rejection of the amendment offered by the gen- common among men.

We have such information as tleman from North Carolina, (Mr. Williams,) he had, should at least put us on our guard, and admonish us on reflection, deemed it to be bis duty to vote against the agairist a plan of Indian emigration so liable to abuse, so bill, and for reasons which he would briefly state. It fruitful of evil He referred to an account, given in provides for the removal of several tribes of Indians to the a letter published in an Arkansas paper, which was read distant West; and, in order to prevent great public evil, yesterday, of the condition of an emigrating party of the amendment proposed that no Indian should hereafter Creeks, on their way to their allotted territory in the be removed from the east to the west side of the Missis- West. It had very properly been brought to the atsippi by contract. If said Mr. G.) this provision had tention of the House by the gentleman from Vermont, been adopted, forbidding the removal of bands by bar. [Mr. Evenett.) None could bear, without emotion, gains with individuals for a stipulated sum per head, and its shocking details of the helpless and hopeless sufferit were made the duty of the Executive to effect it by ings of those Indians. Their journey was in a cold and officers of the Government, whose gains should neither inclement season. Multitudes, it is said, were destitute be increased nor diminished by the service or the man. of comfortable clothing, barefooted, and in rags; numner of its performance, the bill would be less objection-bers pining with sickness, or dying on the road; while able.

the sad procession, men, women, and children, were This bill (said Mr. G.) does not specify the manner hurried forward by their contractor-masters with unfeel. nor the terms on which this great operation is to be per- ing severity and speed. formed. But we know what has been the course of the Now, sir, these things come to us from the very scene Government in the recent removal of large bands of the of the transaction. There is no apparent motive to falsify Creek nation, and a different process and different terms in the story. False statements would easily be detectare not to be expected, unless prescribed by Congress., ed. Our own citizens give us the beart-chilling narraThe present appropriation had been based upon esti- tive, and it stands uncontradicted; and I am led to bemates from the Department, for the removal of Indians lieve not half the tale of wrong and suffering has been and subsistence on their passage, by contract, at the told; for Indians have poor means to make known their price $28 50 per head. Such had been, and was still to griefs. They have no newspaper press to proclaim be, the system of removal. He desired a change of that them to the world, and few friends fearless enough to system. In this great process of Indian emigration, the speak for them to the Government and the country, peace and honor of the nation were involved. The Otherwise, we might hear of them still sadder tales of tribes named in the bill, he knew, were to go from their If the Government can suffer them no longer to ancient inheritance, the homes and graves of their fore. remain within the limits of the States, it is bound to refathers. This was settled. A large portion of the Creeks move them in the most humane manner, and to provide had already been transferred to their western abode, and guards against all abuse of the removing power. There the remnant of that tribe were soon to follow. of the should be left no temptation to the removing agents to emigrated party, some bad been in arms against us. withold proper supplies, or to hasten the progress of ihe Tbose remaining are in alliance with us, and, in conjunc. bands, regardless of comforts, health and life. And tion with our army, are hunting a handful of Seminoles bere was the place to secure to them the last offices of through the hammocks and everglades of East Flori- mercy and justice, in their reluctant departure from da. About 5,090 in number, this band of Creeks is to their ancient homes. On Congress, not the Executive, be removed under the provisions of the bill, in should devolve this protecting power. I have suggestthe manner their brethren have been. Mr. G. saided the course fitlest, in my judgment, to be pursued. he did not claim that a distinction should be made Responsible officers, civil or military, should have the between one tribe and another, or one portion of a tribe charge of this difficult and delicate operation; and we and another. Nor was it with any reference to the may have good assurance of their fidelity. Emigrating previous conduct or relations of the tribes towards our Indians who bave complained of the severity of concitizens that be urged a change in the system of Indian tractors have spoken well of officers of the army, disinremovals. He insisted that these should be effected in a terested as they were in the results of the measure of remanner just and merciful; and the Government was moval. It might cost the Government more to remove by bound to do this by every principle which should char. its own officers than by the intervention of contractors; acterize a civilized and Christian people.

and I think it ought to cost more than had been paid to The mode of removal by contract, if liable to abuse, the latter. The expense is quite a minor affair. It is is onworthy of a people of our character and resources, impossible, under such contracts, to avoid imposition. and should never be adopted from any notion of econo- The best men cannot always be found to perform this my; and that it is so liable must be obvious from the service, and those who are determined to make a profit. very nature of the system. You bargain with individuals able job, at any sacrifice to the emigrating savage, would to transport and subsist, on the long passage, bands of offer to contract for less than the just and humane man. savages, for a specified sum per head, for each member This is the common course of things, attested by all ob. of a family or tribe. And what is to be expected of the servation and experience; and hence the necessity of a contractor? What are his temptations? The more change on the ground of humanity. cheaply he can support them, and the shorter the But there are in this matter considerations of pub. journey, the greater will be his profits. Is it not to be Ilic policy that cannot be disregarded. We are remo.

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H. OF R.]

Indian Appropriation Bill.

(Feb. 2, 1837.

ving the tribes from the east, to a country far west of the cause should have been laid before this Govern. Mississippi, and we place them in one great community ment, and the Executive would, or should, have taken of savages. Some go by direct coercion, and some in instant measures to redress them, to do them justice, fetters; and perhaps this severity cannot be avoided, if and to detect and expose the men, high or low, who the policy of the Government is to be carried out. They had defrauded them. We are, however, to consider will be a fierce and and powerful race. Their removal, that the Indians know nothing of the science of diplomathen, should be effected in a manner to leave in their cy. They mistake their remedies.

They have no mind and memory as few causes of irritation as possible. agent, of their race, near this Government, to make They will not discriminate between the injuries inflicted known their grievances, to remonstrate against oppresby acts of the Government and those proceeding from sion, injustice, and outrage, committed by its citizens; an abuse of power in the hands of its agents, but will no presy to speak for them to the world. Goaded, dislay up the wrongs endured from either. And who that appointed, and defrauded, in a matter of property, they considers the instinct of savage passion can doubt that, know not how to claim right and justice of the distant on the slightest occasion, the treasured resentment for Government, nor to institute the slow process of nego. a thousand wrongs will burst forth in war and massacre tiation; but they think only of revenge. Nor are they upon our defenceless settlements?

careful to seek out the individual perpetrators of the It has been urged, in the course of the debate on this wrong, but, with sudden fury, fall upon the race to bill, that the Creeks, by making war on our citizens, had which their oppressors belong, and indiscriminate venforfeited all benefits secured to them under the treaty. geance is the consequence. Sir, we are now discussing the claims of humanity, of On account of the war, then, so waged by these unenlightened policy in reference to Indian tribes. These taught savages-children of Nature-gentlemen are to always hold good, with or without treaties. This Creek regard all the privileges solemnly guarantied to them treaty secured reservations of land to ninety principal by treaty as forfeited; and not only so, it seems to be chiefs and each head of a Creek family-valuable pro- thought good enough for them to be dragged to the visions to them, as was supposed. But it would seem West in any way a body of contractors may think most that these benefits, to a great extent, have been wrested easy and profitable. Certainly the subject has been disfrom them, through every variety of fraud and circum- cussed as if the removal was, and ought to be, a war opvention, by white men, citizens of the United States. eration. And if severity and suffering ensued, it was War ensued. It has been denied that these frauds pro- no more than the Indians deserved for their barbarities. duced it; nay, their existence was once questioned. The crime and cruelties of a few warriors are to forfeit But the dreadful hostility is to be traced to these wrongs, the kindly regards of our nature for the feeble, the as its primary and principal cause. Such is now the helpless, and innocent beings of the tribe. No, sir, general admission. And, it is true, it was marked wiib suffering and helplessness and innocence here give no all the atrocities incident to a savage conflict-plunder, occasion for sympathy! I cannot entertain these views burning, and carnage,

In view of these facts, gentle- or feelings, but I have a deep conviction that we owe it men have asked if all our feelings of compassion are to public peace and policy, to ourselves as an enlightreserved for the suffering Indians, and if we have none ened, powerful, and Christian nation, transacting with for suffering whites. As if a just concern for a tribe feeble, ignorant, and degraded tribes of men, to exer. of Indians, men, women, and cnildren, in their final pas- cise mercy in this last act of putting them away from us sage to their new domain, was incompatible with a kind forever. protective sympathy and care for those unfortunate fam. Mr. ALFORD asked the indulgence of the House to ilies of our citizens who have fled or fallen before the give his views in relation to this subject of the removal tomahawk and knife of the savage.

of the Indians, which seemed to him to bave elicited in Sir, this Creek nation are subdued, have submitted; this House a sort of sickly sympathy. He came here as they are at our mercy; and I frankly and strenuously an opponent to the present administration, but he felt maintain that, notwithstanding their recent hostility and constrained to support the policy of the Government in outrage, this Government owes it to its own character, this one of its most important measures-of removing and to the soundest policy, to remove them to their the Indians. Western territory in a peaceful and humane manner, He knew something of the Creek Indians; he came and not in a spirit of vengeance. Sympathy for the suf- from the frontier, and he knew well how their sufferferers by Indian warfare! Who does not feel it? For ings had been brought upon them. He had beld these myself, I aver that every page in the early bistory of my Indians as prisoners under his own immediate charge, native State, and especially of that part of it from which but he had had no part either in their removal or in the I come, has taught me lessons of sorrow and sympathy speculations which had been made. But he was well for the victims of savage hostility that can never be ef- acquainted with their circumstances and their sufferings, faced from my heart. But I cannot suffer such emo- from his own observation. tions to mislead my judgment on a grave question of These poor Indians, as they were termed, were bet. legislation between us and these tribes. Nor would I ter, or fully as well, clad as any ladies in Washington deal with them as we might justiy do with a civilized city. They had invaded the frontier of Georgia, murnation which, in contempt of treaties, bad made war dered our women and our children, and clothed themupon us.

This Creek war on their part was without selves in the muslins and the fine linen rescued from the justifiable cause. But, I ask, did this Government, or burning ruins of Roanoke. When he heard these apany department of it, take care that the nation should peals made on this floor, his mind reverted to bis own have the full benefit of the reservations of land secured people, who deserved the sympathy of the House more by the treaty? Is this Government wholly clear in this than the savage Indian. What were the facts to sustain matter? Did we, in the true spirit and design of the these charges of inhumanity on the part of the contract. treaty, fulfil it on our part? Was our conduct towards ors? A letter from the West. By whom written? God them in this matter perfecily guardian and paternal? only knew. Who vouched for the truth? It was taken And shall we take advantage of their infraction of the for granted. treaty for such cause and under such wrong, and make Mr. A. replied to the remarks which had been made it the ground and occasion, not only of denying to them by several gentlemen in relation to the speculations in all its provisions, but of a violent and forcible removal, the Creek nation. The people of Georgia and Alabama or expulsion at the point of the bayonet! True, their bad undoubtedly participated in these speculations, in FEB. 2, 1837.)

Indian Appropriation Bill.

(H. OF R.

common with the people of all the States of the Union, been fanned by designing men, and that with a hope of so far as his knowledge went. But the fault lay in the putting a stop to the investigation now going on.” treaty itself, that opened the door to these false specu. To this he would add that the fact was supported by lations. The sin of these speculations ought not to be three of the gentlemen from Georgia who had addressed visited on the Georgians and Alabamians alone. Mr. the House, (Mr. Dawson, Mr. GLASCOCK, and Mr. AlA. entered into details in relation to the Creek war, FOND,) and in much stronger terms than he had used. and the causes which he considered brought it about. He had said yesterday, on the introduction of the Ye contended that the Indian was the aggressor; that Fort Gibson letter, that he brought no charge against the tomahawk was first raised by him against the white the Government, except for supineness. He thought man, and not by the white man against him. He be. now that the exception was too limited. He requested lieved, however, that these land stealers had been in- the Clerk to read an article from the Creek docu. strumental in bringing on the war, and they consisted of ment. It was the earnest appeal from the chiefs of the citizens of every State in the Union. The Government Creek nation to their great father the President, imploought so to have projected the treaty that these frauds ring that, in mercy, he would not subject them to be recould not have crept in. The President should have moved by contract, and more especially by land-specucarried out that part of his policy wbich rejected Indian lating contractors. He would then leave it to the House reservations. As to the removal of the Indians, he to say what was the just responsibility of the Governthought they ought to be removed, and he thought that ment. tbe present manner of their removal was the best. The

" TUCKABATCHEE Town, contractors had done that which the agents of the Gov.

January 14, 1836. ernment could not do, and he hoped the bill would " To our Father the President: pass.

“Your agent, Colonel Hogan, has just visited our town, [The above is a mere outline of Mr. A's observations.] and communicated to us the welcome news that the dis.

Mr. GRENNELL remarked that the gentleman (Mr. position we had made of the twenty-three sections, that ALFORD) had no occasion to apologize; the stillness which were given to the Creek tribe, has met your approba. had prevailed in the House, the silence with which he tion. As we bave heretofore informed you that we were bad been listened to, was an honorable testimony paid preparing to quit the land of our nativity, and seek a new to his eloquence, and a proof of the gratification with home in the far-distant West, we again take the liberty which he had been heard; but he (Mr. G.) must beg to of advising with our great father on this subject; believe differ with the honorable gentleman. He,[Mr. Alfond,] ing, as we do, that our great father has ever been dis. coming fresh from such scenes of blood, had painted in posed to render us all the facilities that are in his power; glowing colors the atrocities of the ruthless savage, and as the day we have set to commence removing is which he himself had witnessed; but he is wrong (said fast approaching, and as we are anxious to go with as litMr. G.) in supposing that I am an advocate of the sav- tle trouble to the Government as possible, we again beage Indian.

Mr. G. proceeded to observe that he was seech our great father to exercise towards us that same not an advocate of the savage, nor had he sought to pal. bumane and friendly care that has beretofore character. liate his atrocities. But he (Mr. G.) was an advocate of ized his administration. Christian forbearance; he was an advocate for treating “We have, in our former communications, spoken to the Indian, not with a cruel vengeance, in return for our father of the new method of emigrating his Creek bloodshed and atrocities, which he (Mr. G.) did not de-children by contract. We hope, by introducing this sub. ny, and which he was not disposed in any way to justify ject to his consideration, he will not consider us as being or excuse. He was opposed only to the principle of re- too strenuous or importunate on this point, as it is one turning evil for evil; and in so speaking, in thus desiring of vital importance to 118. When we came to the detera mild and gentle and just policy to be pursued toward mination to never again rekindle our council fire on the the Indian, no gentleman was justified in charging bim eastern side of the Mississippi, it was under the belief with sickly sympathy, or in imputing to him the charge that we were to be removed under the superintendence of being an advocate of brutality, ferocity, and injustice, of Colonel Hogan. And we now say to you, in the unben be advocated clemency, mercy, and forgiveness. disguised language of sincerity, that our people are op.

Mr. EVERETT said he desired to set himself right posed to, and protest being removed by, the present em. before the House, and particularly with the gentleman | igrating company, but beseech our great father to say from Georgia (Mr. ALPORD] who had addressed the to our people that they can go, as they formerly especie House to-day. That gentleman had misunderstood a ed to go, with Colonel Hogan, and under his immediate part of his remarks of yesterday. Had he have heard control, and we vouch that our people will take their the explanation then given to his colleague, (Mr. Daw- line of march, and go without a murmur; but we fear, 698,] there would have been no occasion for some of his unless the plan of emigrating is changed, our people references to those that had preceded him. [Mr. E. re- will be found lingering behind in a state of degradation peated the explanation.]

for years to come, for a large majority of the nation have Mr. E. said that, when up yesterday, he had been askalready expressed their determined opposition to the ed by the gentleman from Georgia on his right [Mr. present contractors. HOLser) for the evidence of the fact that the frauds on “ Our belief is that the present contractors cannot rethe Creeks were a cause of their hostilities. He had move us with that same ease, attention, and liberality, that beo referred the gentleman, in general terms, to the we so fondly anticipated under the management of Colodocuments before the House, and particularly to the nel Hogan, who, -by his gentlemanly deportment, has Sborter letters. He had since looked into the Creek succeeded in gaining our entire confidence. documents, laid on the table at the last session. He had ple all know him, and profess an ardent desire to go with turned down some leaves, but would read only a single him, but protest against going with a company of specu. Passage. It was from a letter from our removing agent, lating contractors, who have recently extended their Mr. J. B. Hogan, to the War Department, of February company and taken in new partners, who are too well 1, 1836.

known to us. And as this company have not the inter"I bave no doubt but the Indians have been most gross. est of the Government in view, we believe the health, hy sinned against; that they are hostile I have never be comfort, and interest of the Indians will never be con: lieved; but that they have ample cause of complaint Isulted, but that all their arrangements will be conducted do know; and I verily beliere that this excitenient bas' for their own good and pecuniary benefit.

Our peoH. or R.)

Navy Appropriation Bill.

[FEB. 2, 1837.

" As the Government has ever professed and exercised Mr. JARVIS said that as in the first item was included a fraternal care and anxiety for our welfare, and has a part of the expense of the exploring expedition, which promised to aid us in emigrating in the safest and most seemed about to be carried to an extent which he did comfortable way, we believe that the difference that not think necessary, or that the country would justify, might be saved by the contract, if any, should weigh he should move a reduction of it. He had been taken nothing when compared with the immense advantages by surprise, for he had understood that the civil and dipthat would result. If our people were told that they | lomatic appropriation bill would be taken up to-day, should be carried off, as they bave heretofore been done, and he had left his estimates for the reduction at home. under the superintendence of men whose only duty He would, however, venture to move a reduction of would be to economize on behalf of the United States, $150,000 in the estimates for the exploring expedition, and at the same time afford the best attention to the comprised in this and some other items, of which the Indians.

pay would be about one third; and before the bill was “If our great father will change the plan of emigrating brought into the House he should be able to ascertain to the old and original method, he shall have our lasting the exact reductions which were necessary, and would thanks and prayers for his happiness, and our undivided correct the bill accordingly, provided the committee effort to effect a speedy removal of all our people. But / agreed with him in opinion upon the expediency of diif he still says we must go with the present contractors, minishing the expenditure. we must submit, but we can give no pledges that all our Mr. J. said he objected to the employment of so large people will start, nor can we say how many will go; but a vessel as the frigate Macedoni on the exploring explace us under the entire management of our friend, pedition, on account of her unfitness for the purpose Colonel Hogan, and we will do our best to get all off and the great increase of expense. He said we ought with us.

not to think so highly of ourselves as to suppose that we “We now wish to again call the attention of our great could not profit by the experience of other nations, and father to the lands belonging to Indians, who have died went on to recapitulate the scale of the exploring expe. since their lands were certified; and we request that the ditions of Great Britain and France. He adduced the heirs, in all such cases, may be permitted to sell and testimony of Captain Cook, who, before he departed certifiy the land, as they generally get nothing when sold upon his third expedition, that ended so fatally to him. under an administration.

self, bequeathed, as a legacy to the world, bis opinions “Permit us now to call our great father's attention to a on this subject. That great navigator contended that promise made by our great father the President, when large vessels were unfit for the business; that the vessels we were in Washington city, closing the last treaty with must be of a light draught of water; of a construction the Government. It was then promised to us, for our that would take the ground easily, and that might be influence in making the treaty, to give each of uf, at hove down whenever and wherever it might be neces. some convenient time, the sum of one thousand dollars. sary to examine their bottoms. The vessels he recom. This promise was made in presence of friends Colonel mended were the north-country colliers, of from four William C. King and the honorable Samuel W. Mardis. bundred and fifty to three hundred tons burden. These As we are now bringing all our matters to a close, we were the description of vessels in which he had per. wish our great father to say to us whether we may still formed bis two voyages, and was about to undertake a calculate on receiving the same.

third; and he distinctly says that a forty-gun ship would " This letter is directed to our father the President, as be too large. Yet we are about to send out a frigate we want it to meet his own eye. We now close, and mounting forty-nine guns. He repeated the assertion of hope to receive an immediate answer, and tender the Cook, that no captain could discharge his duty as the President, our great father, our best wishes for his health head of an exploring expedition in a vessel of this de and happiness.

scription without too great hazard to the safety of bis “ And subscribe ourselves his children."

ship and of his crew. It might be urged that increased [Signed by 22 chiefs, &c.] experience had shown that Cook was in error; but, so After which, the question was taken, and the bill far was this from being the fact, it was well known that passed.

the latest expeditions of France and Great Britain had The engrossed bill making appropriations for the

been performed by still smaller vessels. The Chantisupport of the army of the United States for the

cleer was only about two hundred and fifty tons, and had year 1837 was read a third time and passed.

between fifty and sixty men; and the Astrolabe, of whose Mr. CAMBRELENG moved to suspend the rule, to voyage so splendid an account had been published by go into committee on the bill making appropriations for

the French Government, was only a corvette, with the naval service for the year 1837.

crew consisting of seventy-nine persons, including offi. Mr. W. THOMPSON called for the yeas and nays on

cers and men of science. The whole number of her sci. that motion; which were ordered, and were: Yeas 132, entific corpo consisted of two surgeons of the navy and

one draughtsman, while ours was to consist of eighteen So the rule was suspended.

persons, which (Mr. J. said) he had no doubt would be

found equal in number, if not in science, to the corps oi NAVY APPROPRIATION BILL.

savans that Bonaparte took with him to Egypt. On motion of Mr. CAMBRELENG, the House resols. The officers of the navy, (Mr. J. said,) so far as he bad ed itself into a Committee of the Whole on the state been able to ascertain their views, agreed with him ir of the Union, (Mr. Patton in the chair,) on the bill opinion--high and low, young and old; however they making appropriations for the naval service for the year might differ on other points, all seemed to think that 1837.

frigate was not the vessel to be sent. If the squadrot Mr. CAMBRELENG explained that the principal in- were composed of small vessels, the accidental loss o crease in this bill above that of last year was in conse. one of them would not endanger the result of the expe quence of the equipping the exploring expedition; be- dition; the crew might, without inconvenience, be dir; sides this, there was an appropriation for fitting out the ded among the remainder; but if the frigate were ship of the line Pennsylvania and two sloops of war. meet with an accident, and her three hundred men wer The first clause was read, as follows:

to be so divided, they would be so crowded on boar “ For pay of commissioned, warrant, and petty offi- the small vessels as to force them to return home, en cers, and of seamen, $2,434,886,"

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concluded by saying that he was desirous that the expe. | For medical and hospital stores

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7,000 00 ful it would only be covered with ridicule unless a For contingencies

16,000 00 change was made in its organization; and he therefore Mr. C. also cited some other estimates connected with hoped that his motion would prevail.

the exploring expedition, amounting to upwards of Mr. CAMBRELENG hoped the motion would be 300,000 dollars. He suggested to the gentleman from adopted. He concurred entirely with the view taken by

Maine not to press his motion at that time, but to withthe gentleman from Maine, [Mr. JARVIS,) and he felt it

draw it, and renew it in the House. bis duty to state bis concurrence in those views. He

Mr. C. then adverted to the great scale on which the had made inquiries of many practical men, and some of

expedition was projected, and contended, with the gen. the highest officers of the navy, on this subject; and, from lleman from Maine, that the object he had in view was the information he had obtained from them, he was per- to insure its success. By sending a large frigate, she ran fectly satisfied that the view taken by the gentleman

the hazard of being dashed to pieces on the rocks; and from Maine was correct, and be hoped the House

the expense to the country would exceed a million of would concur in it, and reduce the appropriation. dollars, if fitted out on the plan proposed. He expressMr. PHILLIPS said, if the leading friends of the ad

ed himself warmly in favor of the objects of the expediministration, in view of the present posture of the ques- tion, and reiterated that his support of the motion of Mr. 38 tion, in view of the present expectation of the world, in

Jarvis was to prevent the expedition from being shipview of the responsibility assumed by the President,

wrecked, as it inevitably would be, in the opinion of were disposed to interpose any obstacle to the comple.

many men of skill and judgment, if it embarked on the tion of this expedition, upon them be the responsibility magnificent scale proposed. of its failure; for fail it would, if this motion should pre

Mr. VINTON said ibat it belonged to the Legislature vail.

to enact laws, and to the Executive to carry them into Mr. CHAMBERS, of Kentucky, cited the law passed effect. This line of duty is so distinct and so proper in last session authorizing the President to employ a sloop itself, that a very strong case ought to exist to induce of war, and such other smaller vessels as might be ne

the Legislature to assume the responsibility of taking incessary for the expedition, appropriating $150,000 for to its own hands the execution of a law. Congress, at its

last session, passed a law directing the President of the Mr. JARVIS remarked that the gentleman from Mas. United States to send a surveying and exploring expesachusetts seemed to regard this as a party measure.

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dition to the South Seas; and the present appropriation Was no such thing. It was one in which the honor and is asked for, as necessary to defray the expense of the renown of the nation were concerned. Mr. J. denied

expedition, according to the plan adopted by the Execthat he was opposed to the expedition; on the contrary, utive. The chairman of the Naval Committee (Mr. he wished it fitted out with credit to the public, in a

JARVIS] is dissatisfied with that plan, and wishes to have manner to insure its complete success, and to redound vessels sent of a different character from those provided to the honor and fame of every officer employed. His for the service. To effect his object, he has moved a reproposition was made to that end. He stated he had re.

duction of the sum estimated by the Secretary of the Naceived the opinions of many officers of the navy, of great vy to be necessary for this purpose. He says, in support Brill and judgment, and they were all confirmatory of of his motion, that the Executive, in providing a frigate his own as to ihe kind of vessels that ought to be employed.

for the service, instead of a sloop of war, which he [Mr.

JARVIS) is of opinion ought to be sent, has been govern. MT. ADAMS thought the gentleman from Maine, the ed by the advice of landlubbers. He therefore asks Chairman of the Committee on Naval Affairs, had done This House to interfere, and reverse the decision of the the President and heads of Departments injustice. Mr. Executive. Mr. V. said he did not know whose advice 4. entreated gentlemen to withdraw the motion to re. the Executive had followed, or who were his advisers in duce the appropriation. He did not consider it too

this matter; but, living as he did in the State of Ohio, large for the objects to be obtained. He would vote and far in the interior, and knowing nothing of sea serthree times the amount, if called upon to do so, because

vice, he was one of those to whom the gentleman's ap. Was his hope that this expedition would shed honor

pellative of landlubber would apply; and it was for that en the American character, instead of holding it up to the ridicule of the world.

reason, which the gentleman had furnished to his hand,

that he would not vote for the plan proposed by him. Dr. ROBERTSON said that, before he could vote Mr. V. said that what he had said of himself was true of with propriety for the proposed appropriation for the

a very large majority of the House. A very great ma. batal service, he should like to be informed what por- jority of us come from without the limits of tide water, tion of the aggregate

sum was designed for the explo- and do not and cannot be expected to possess that pracping expedition. Mr. R. inquired, furiher, of the chairman

tical knowledge which would enable us to decide upon of the Committee of Ways and Means, whether it was his

the expediency of sending a frigate on this voyage of Etention to urge an appropriation for completing the exploration. The motion and argument of the gentle. equipment of the Pennsylvania, after being apprized man came to this: that, as the Executive has been influat the Committee on Naval Affairs unanimously disap- enced by the advice and opinions of landsmen, in the prored the object of that appropriation?

plan of fitting out this expedition, he therefore comes Dr. CAMBRELENG replied, by citing the following here, and calls upon another set of landsmen to overrule

the Executive, and direct him how it shall be fitted up. Es imate of the amount that will be required for the sup: The gentleman further says, that one of the small ves. port of the frigate Macedonian, the store ship Relief, sels built for this service “ sails like a tub." If that be the two barques, Pioneer and Consort, and the so, the duly and responsibility of inquiring into that matachooner Pilot, employed on the surveying and ex

ter, and of providing another ship, belongs to the Sec. ploring expedition, for one year.

retary of the Navy; but certainly the genileman cannot For the pay of commission, warrant, petty officers, and expect this House to go into such an inquiry, and deSeattien, and for the scientific corps

$210,848 50 cide whether ship A or ship B shall be sent.

58,582 50 We have passed the law directing the exploring exPer repairs, and wear and tear of the ves.

pedition to be sent, and, for one, he wished the responkels on the expedition

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