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THE POLITICAL EXAMINER.
| dled up, as they are, in a corner, in the smallest type. We do
not defend the practice, but on the contrary reprobate and lament it. to Party is the madness of many for the gain of a few.–Pore.
It is a species of deception which lowers the character of the news
paper press, and gives a handle to those who decry it. But who, MR. COBBETT AND THE NEWSPAPERS.
besides Mr. COBBETT, would have ventured, on this minor blemish, MR. COBBETT for some weeks past has been calling out for “an i
to build a charge of universal venality ?-to assert, that because a answer” to a late tirade of his against the Newspaper Press, and
sand vender of lottery-tickets or “ matchless blacking" is allowed to glorifying himself not a little at the victory he infers from the absence
advertise his commodities in a newspaper, in a mode less direct than of any. We will tell him why there has been none-or rather none
the ordinary one, that therefore any article, whether of news, comsince the two very sufficient articles in the Morning Chronicle and the
ment, law or police-reports, &c. may be inserted for money? Mr. Globe and Traveller of January 22, the first of which he reprinted in
COBBETT understands the machinery of a newspaper too well to be the Register. His attack was too absurd ; nobody thought it worth
ignorant of the fact, that the two things are essentially distinct. The while to set about formally proving the utility of newspapers, at this
Cat this paid-for paragraphs belong entirely to the advertising department; time of day, when all the civilized world is agreed in considering
they are received by a clerk, and delivered to the printer, just as so them as perbaps the most decisive sign the age affords of the pro
many advertisements; the Editor has no knowledge or control over gress of science, art, and—in a word-of MIND. We are not going
them; and they have no more connection with his department than to take up the task which our contemporaries have thought superflu
the announcements of sales of estates, or the prices of beef and mutous, and which we are convinced not half-a-dozen readers of the
ton at Smithfield. Mr. COBBETT means his readers to understand, Register itself think otherwise. Our only object is to mark, by a few
that the reports and news in a journal are not to be depended on, observations, the extreme folly and inconsistency of this vagary of
because they are, more or less, written by interested parties, who pay COBBETT, which will surely stiek by him, as one of those special
for their insertion. This is a falsehood—for it deserves no milder absurdities that occur every now and then in his generally shrewd
term. The reporters of newspapers derive their pay from the prowritings.
prietors exclusively; and it is their interest to make their reports and Mr. COBBETT began by taking the part of the Judges in the recent
news as full and accurate as possible. The principle of competition is law question regarding the right of reporting the proceedings in
in actively at work in all the details of a newspaper office, as well as be courts of law and police offices. He goes farther than those learned
tween the proprietors. There are several grades among the reporters : personages however : they only maintain the right of magistrates to
it is the constant aim of those in the lower ranks to obtain promotion exclude reporters, and the liability of the newspapers to punishment
by fidelity and industry, and the fear of dismissal operates strongly for statements, true or false, which might prejudice individuals :- he
with all. That some of the more needy and less respectable indifirst argues against legal reports as altogether pernicious, and after
viduals employed to purvey accidents, police accounts, &c. may take wards (mistaking the silence of contempt for inability to refute him) bribes to keep out an ugly statement, or thrust in a laudatory paratreats the whole contents of newspapers, including the Debates in
graph, is no doubt true; and proves something against human nature, Parliament, as produetive of more evil than good! In the endeavour
but nothing peculiar against newspapers. But a reporter is venal at to make out a case, he is not sparing of the misrepresentation which
his imminent peril: the occurrence he would suppress generally gets he always uses so abundantly when in the wrong. Some writer on
wind;t it is published in other papers with the more eagerness the question having noticed, among the benefits of police-reporting,
because of the attempt to bide it; his employer is incensed, and he is the frequent production of fresh evidence against a detained person, in
liable not only to lose his present employment, but to be cut off from consequence of his first examination being published,Mr. COBBETT
all future connection with the journals. And even this liability to ingenuously describes this argument in the following terms :
corruption only applies to matters comparatively uninteresting to the * The reason, to be worth anything, must have a general application. |
public:—we venture to say, that it is impossible to suppress anything So that all accused parties are, according to this notion, to be remanded : really important or interesting; and every body must admit, on a that is to say, to be kept in prison for some time, in order to see what fresh moment's reflection, the equal impossibility of bribing the numerous evidence, what new accusers, the newspapers will be able to bring forward! body of gentlemen, all anxiously competing with each other, who Was there ever so monstrous an idea broached before? What! is the discharge the arduous duty of reporting the debates of Parliament, Magistrate, who has the accuser and the accused before him, to say to and the proceedings of courts of law, for a dozen different rival ésthe latter: "I do not find, in this accusation, sufficient ground to commit | tablishments. The idea is indeed ridiculous-no man in his senses, you for trial; but I will keep you in prison for a time, in order to see
however rich and shameless, would hazard the attempt, which could whether the newspapers cannot stir up agaiost you some fresh accusa
only end in his own exposure and disgrace. And what is the fact ? Lion! The thing is too monstrous to merit another word to be said about it.”
The excellence of newspaper reports is become a standing topie of adToo mnonstrous indeed! though not quite so much so as Mr. COB
miration: members of Parliament, judges, barristers, and orators of all ELTT's perversion of his adversary's argument.
sorts, never cease to wonder at being able to read, at their morning's In a like spirit is the unqualified assertion, that “it is as notorious
breakfast, a faithful and excellent report of the speeches they delivered the sun at noon-day, that the columns of newspapers are to be
the night before. Many thousands a year are expended by every sold to the highest bidder at so much an inch.” This is wilfully
morning paper in London in obtaining the reports of Parliamentary gross: no man knows better than Mr. COBRETT the real state of the
Debates alone; and in no particular is the competition so great case, or understands more exactly the extent of the practice upou
between the different establishments as in this. To say nothing then włujeh (we suppose) he grounds his charge. It is known to all rea
of the talent and rank in life of the gentlemen who devote themselves ders of newspapers, that besides the advertisements in the usual form,
to the higher branches of reporting, bribery is clearly out of the queseich beginning with a great letter, there are advertisements inserted
rent letter there are advertisements inserted tion; their interest is opposed to it; and the hopelessness of success in most papers, which are distinguished from the paragraphs of news
(owing to the number of persons employed, and the certain exposure only by the nature of their contents, and their recommendation of that would follow) prevents the attempt. Mr. COBBETT indeed something in the sale or success of which the advertiser is interested. abandons the pretence of venality as regards the Parliamentary reIn the majority of these the party concerned is named, and there is porters, but he substitutes a theory of favouritism, arising from an consequently no sort of deception practised on the reader—the only alledged intimacy between the reporters and the members. This is, advantage to the advertiser being, that his announcement stands a better chance of exciting attention, when mixed up with the miscella
* It would be unjust to leave an impression that this degrading system LEOU3 matter of a newspaper, than when lost amid the crowd of extends to
arowd of extends to all the newspapers. The l'imes, much to its credit, invariably formal advertisements. There are however a few in which the ad
( prefixes the word “[Advertisement.]”-thus printed-to every paid-for tiser is not mentioned, and the objeet of which undoubtedly is, to
announcement or notice not inserted in the usual shape; so that such if possible, more absurd than the other pretence. It supposes, that justice, would take place! And last (but not least, to us who find both those members of Parliament who are the worst speech-makers, cul- instruction and amusement in his weekly pamphlet) what a desperate tivate an acquaintance with the 50 or 60 reporters attending the two lack would Mr. COBBETT find of the infinite variety of ever new facts, Houses (which is notoriously not the fact) and by personal civilities by the help of which he contrives to go on, arguing, joking, and cutinduce them, against their own interest and that of their employers, ting right and left, against friends and foes, without tiring his readers! to give greater space and merit to their speeches than to those of the better orators !-But where is the necessity of exposing such nonsense?
to announcements are only dearer, but not less obvious, advertisements, make it appear, that the conductors of the newspaper voluntarily | Among the weekly papers, the News and Examiner have ever been recommend their readers to purchase a particular article, to visit a entirely free froin this stain. certain exhibition, to buy a new book, &c. Even in these, the private + It is obvious, that some of the parties concerned in all transactions nterest is generally so obvious, that a common reader can hardly fail customarily reported in newsp. must desire publicity, and would
GLORIOUS PRECISION OF THE LAW! Let any one take up the Times or Chronicle, and see at a glance, in the We copy the following report from a daily Paper, and ask if the severParliamentary reports, the most convincing proof of the impartiality est satirist could more forcibly expose the monstrous uncertainty of of the reporters, and the wilful misrepresentations of Mr. COBBETT.
British Jurisprudence, than the Noble Lord on the Woolsack)". The single circumstance of there being thousands of persons in Lon
COURT OF CHANCERY, FEB. 1.--EXETER V. SCOTT. don who daily read all the principal papers in the coffee-houses and
This was an appeal from the Vice-Chancellor, who had refused the taverns, is a sufficient guarantee for the independence of their pro
motion asked by the plaintiff, to restrain the defendant, a bond-creditor prietors on sinister influence in matters of any importance.
| to an estate of which the plaintiff is executor, from pressing his action If one
for the recovery of the judgment debt. The Vice-Chancellor had paper has an article of intelligence not to be found in the rest, or has
refused the motion, because the plaintiff had entered on record in dea good and faithful report where the others have a slovenly or partial fence to the action a false plea of plene administravit, whereas he held one, the difference is remarked, and an impression is of course 2,0001. which belonged to the estate. created to its injury. If this is often noticed, the paper is irreparably The LORD CHANCELLOR admitted that the judgment of his Honour ruined. So also in regard to authentic or fictitious news: every was agreeable to a precedent which he had himself furnished in a similar omission or misrepresentation in a newspaper inevitably does it an case (which is to be found in Merrivale); but he now doubted the soundinjury, in proportion to its grossness or mischievousness: no check i ness of it, and would therefore restrain the action for the present, until can be more complete. In short, it requires no argument to prove,
he could apply his mind again to the question. The defendant could that the public must always be so much better a patron of the news
suffer nothing from the delay, because he could not enter up judgment,
if he obtained a verdict, before the third day of next term; and in the paper press than any individuals, that the sinister influence of the
meantime the point would be finally ruled. His Lordship spoke at latter will always be outweighed by the necessity of preserving the some length on the comparative scope of his own and the common law good opinion of the former.
jurisdictions, and contended that 'the Lord Chancellor had as much We may content ourselves with a similar appeal to the readers of power and authority in judging questions of common law as the Chief newspapers in regard to the law and police reports, and in reference
Justices of the two Courts in Westminster-hall. Upon that point he to Mr. COBBETT's idle talk about a like coquetry between the news
was as confident as Lord Mansfield or Lord Kenyon could be. The paper reporters and the judges and magistrates. We need hardly
common law did not give that consideration to the decrees of equity
which the Court of Equity gave to the judgments of common law. In observe, to those who know anything of the world, that any ac
most instances, be thought that those courts paid too little attention to quaintance between two classes of men moving in such distinct equitable circumstances, which a Court of Chancery could not overlook. spheres of life, beyond the knowledge of each others persons, conse- This made it often happen, that the Court could noi establish the verdict quent upon the daily meeting in the same courts, must be very rare. sent up on trial of an issue from Chancery in those Courts. He menWe may safely pass over Mr. COBBETT's inferences from these mis- tioned' an instance where the Chief Justices of the two Courts had sent up representations, after having demolished his premises. We have for opposite judgments upon a case which he had referred to them, and He difmerly discussed the question of publicity against the Judges: and their l.fered from both. Lord Bathurst had once declared, that he never liked arguments are moderate and rational compared to those in the Regis
law so much as when it looked like equity. Lord De Grey had said, that he ter. Some of the latter are indeed singular, as coming from a writer
liked equity best when it looked like law. Lord Thurlow thought that on the side of the people. For instance, he maintains, that the effect of
there should be no difference between them. He himself was of opinion
that there was the greatest danger if they should be mingled !!!" reporting is to make judges and magistrates look more to popularity than to justice! As if to do justice was not popular; or as if the nation at large, which must be disinterested, was not more likely to
UNITED PARLIAMENT. decide rightly, than individuals who, for fifty reasons, are peculiarly open to corruption and influence! Again, he contends, that it is
HOUSE OF LORDS. “ not the eye of the public” that watches the judicial functionaries,
Monday, Feb. 7. but only “the eye of the newspapers :"—a nice distinction, i'faith!
SCOTCH JUDICATURE.-JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES. The most rational and convincing view of this question, after all, is to
The LORD CHANCELLOR reminded their Lordships, that a bill, last consider the newspaper reports as a contrivance by which the whole
59 a contrivance by which the whole session, received their Lordships' approbation, for improving the system people, instead of an insignificant portion of them, are constituted the
of Judicature in Scotland. The bill was brought before their Lordships audience of a law-court:-is it possible to have a better check on
at a late period of the session, adopted, and sent down to the other House. judge and jury both, than the impartial and generally correct opinion
He thought it would be beneath the dignity of their Lordships to introduce
a bill as it had been amended in the other House, on the suggestion of the of a whole community?
press. He meant, therefore, again to introduce the same bill their LordWhat strikes us most in this furious abuse of the Newspapers by ships had passed, and in the Committee such Amendments as seemed right Mr. COBBETT, and denial of their utility, is the contradiction which might be adopted. While he was on his legs, his Lordship said he would his own Register affords to his absurd railing. There is no public state the object of the measure he meant to propose as to Joint Stock writer who makes half so much use of the Newspapers as Mr. Cob
Companies. When he last mentioned the subject, he was not aware that BELT himself! Look at his 30 or 40 volumes of the Register: with there was an important action pending before the Court of King's Bench, very few exceptions, the material of his articles is entirely furnished |
had which the Judges of that Court decided on the very day that he mentioned by the Newspapers—and especially by the reports of proceedings in
the subject. He did not mean then to state what his opinion on the law Parliament, Law Courts, Police Offices, Public Meetings, Bible So
was, though that opinion was not now to be formed. His present object
was only to state what he meant to propose. It was bis intention to bring cieties, &c. &c. These form his armoury; from these he draws the
oury; from these he draws the in an Act, making the sale of all shares of any Joint Stock Company for weapons with which he hits' so hard at Bishops, Ministers, Parlia- profit, before such Comuany had been incorporated by Royal Charter, or ment-men, Magistrates, Judges, and all sorts of characters who come by Act of Parliament, illegal, and subjecting the persons so selling shares into public notice. Sometimes he will write two or three whole Re- to punishment. The object of the bill would be to prevent the sale or gisters upon a single phrase dropped by Mr. CANNING at a Pitt Din- transfer of shares in all such proposed Companies, till they had been incorner, or by Mr. WILBERFORCE at a Bible Meeting, of which he derives porated by Parliament. his only knowledge from Newspaper reports, and on which he com The Earl of LAUDERDALE objected to the course proposed. If a law ments with as much confidence (and justly) as if he had heard the now exists for punishing such proceedings, it would be only necessary words with his own ears. Yet this is the man to vociferate, that
that the Act should be declaratory.
The LORD Chancellor explained, that he intended his law to be an Newspapers do more evil than good—that their information is never
enactment, not a declaratory law. By the Statute of 6th George I. which trustworthy—their columns filled with venal matter! Let any one,
rendered the transfer of such shares illegal, the punishments ordered to be with however moderate a share of imagination, conceive the sudden
inflicted were so severe, no less than premunire or forfeiture of goods and and total suppression of the Newspapers: What an eclipse of the chattels, that the chances were the parties offending would go unpunished. mental sun! What a stagnation of business, a cessation of discussion, He thought, by proposing a law with milder punishments, there would be an annihilation of public spirit, a stoppage of the great source of a greater probability of correcting the evil. (Hear, hear!) knowledge and amusement, an alarm and confusion, would ensue!
Tuesılay, Feb. 8. Who could take his case into a court of law, with even a hope, when
THE CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. ever he suspected the Judges were hostile to his politics? What The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to call for papers relative to the state monstrous commitments, what hopeless imprisonments, what infinite of Ireland. He alluded to the passage in the King's Speech which spoke wrongs and coellies in every department of the administration of or the tranquil condition of Ireland, y stated that there existed in that country Associations of an unconstitutional and mischievous description, was commonly called, was a subject of too paramount importance to be and called for legislative measures to remedy the evil. It was allowed on al bands, said the Noble Marquis, that Ireland was tranquil, and yet this
consigned to an inquiry of this kind. was the time chosen to call for an extraordinary measure! It was evident,
Lord DARNLEY observed, that to overlook the Catholic question in an from the legal proceedings in Dublin, that the Irish public was not hostile
inquiry into the state of Ireland, was to imitate the strolling actors who to the Catholic Association; and if the object of the intended measure was
advertised the performance of the tragedy of Hamlet, with the part of to extinguish the Association or the Rent, it was a task wbich could not be
Hamlet omitted for that night! lundertaken without disturbing the existing relations of society; for unless
Lord HOLLAND approved of the inquiry, although, in ascertaining the the Noble Lord on the Woolsack could prevent men giving away their
disease, they were not to say a word about the remedy-for some good Boney, and arrest the communication of sentiment, he would do nothing
must result from investigation. whatever. The consequences of such an attempt might be fatal.
Lord King said that Ministers had acted like empirics, who adminiswords, “ Association" and “ Rent" might indeed be got rid of, but would
The tered medicine to their patients before they consulted on the complaint. Bot the people still meet and pay, in spite of the law? He had no doubt before consultation, while the only drug that could effect a cure was
Sometimes they dosed them with steel, at others with opiates, but always they would. There were things to approve and disapprove in the conduct the Association, but it grew out of the present condition of the Irish
peremptorily denied. population, and it was propei triod:.: 1 1 . how
The motion was unanimously agreed to. el presenting their opinions to the community, whether right or WPHY. Opinions resembled certain fluids and vapours, which, if pent up, would
Tuesday, February 3.18 ntplade, and sweep everything before them; but if allowed to mix with
Mr. Sergeant Onslow moved for leave to bring in his Bill for the the free and unadulterated air, lost at once their mischievous powers. I repeal of the Usury Laws, which was carried in the Commons last session (Hear!) On that account, he thought that Parliament ought to pause by 120 against 22, but was thrown out in the Lords.The motion was aod inquire before they attempted to suppress the expression of opinions opposed, but it was carried, on a division, 52 voting for, and 45 against it. of which many persons might even justly disapprove. He therefore 'Lord ALTHORP obtained leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the recovery mored, “ that an Address be presented to his Majesty, praying that he of small debts in England and Wales, which failed last session in consewould be pleased to direct that there be laid before their Lordships copies quence of his refusal to allow of compensation to the holders of certain of all despatches from the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland relative to the reli.
sinecure offices, but wbich“ compensation” he would now admit, though gious and political associations of Ireland, and their consequences.”
he did not approve of that measure. Lord LIVERPOOL could see no ground for the motion. The proceedings
IRISH MARRIAGE ACT. of the Catholic Association, he said, were open and notorious to all. He Dr. LUSHINGTON moved for a copy of the committal of William Quigley denied that the Noble Lord on the woolsack was the contriver of the Ann and Martha Lowton, and another person to the jail of Londonderry intended measure ; it could not of course be introduced without his con- in November last. A Catholic priest had married two Catholics to persons currence, but it was by no means his duty to coctify ity--if he might be of the Scottish Church : an information was laid ; the Magistrates deallowed such a phrase! The measure was the measure of the Irish clared that such marriages were illegal under the law in Ireland ; and Govercbent, approved of by the English Cabinet, resulting from a deep
they committed the married parties to separate places of confinement, sense of its secessity. He did not fear much from inflammatory speeches where they were detained several weeks, because they refused to give in general, but those of the Catholic Association had been acted on; yet evidence against the priest, which refusal subjected them to three years' Beser was there a time when they were less justifiable-never was there imprisonment, and the priest, for the act, to capital punishment as a felon!
time when justice was more fairly administered, or when Government Dr. Lushington contended that this proceeding, founded upon a melanhad sbown a stronger desire to act with kindness towards the Catholic choly example of Irish statute law, was well calculated to keep alive in body. (Hear!) The Catholic Association was the greatest enemy of that unfortunate country a constant source of irritation among the Catholic Ireland, and it was impossible such a body could exist without creating population. It was pregnant with injustice, and struck at the root of all opposite associations and thus defeating the object of Government, who moral feeling : it was, besides, a violation of every sound principle of wished to estiaguish all religious differences, and to promote, as far as in reason and law-a stimulus to disaffection and disturbance; and ought, iz lay, peace and cbarity among all mankind. If Parliament should not he thought, to be no longer permitted to operate. (Hear, hear!) Some deal equal justice, and put down all associations, what would be the con conversation arose.—Sir G. Hill vindicated the conduct of the Magisxqueace? They must permit all associations; and if they did, they trates, who had acted, be said, as leniently as the law allowed them to act, wuuld produce a state of rancorous, religious, and political animosity, although it had been dragged before that self-constituted body, the Catholic totally incompatible with the well-being of any country in the world. Association, where it had been abused and overcharged : and this Popish His objection to the motion was, that it had reference to a measure of Parliament, he added, had ordered a prosecution against them; but he
bich the House at present knew nothing. He also must contend, that hoped that their proceedings would no longer be tolerated. Mr. JOHN beir Lordships would stand in need of no information respecting that Smith observed, that the Catholic Association could not possibly use the measure, because it would be founded on no special koowledge or official funds given thein by their countrymen better than in endeavouring to gorrespondence in the hands of Ministers, but on that which was matter obtain justice for them by the peaceable operation of the law, rather than of rotariety, and migbt be in the possession of every one of their Lordships. leaving them to resort to private vengeance. (Hear!)-Mr. DAWSON
Earl GROSVENOR gave bis decided support to the motion. He trusted defended the conduct of the Magistrales-called the Catholic Association hat the Catholics would not relax in their legal endeavours to obtain a most illegal and mischievous assembly, and its leaders “ most furious Leir object.
demagogues.”—Mr. North said, such marriages in Ireland caused great Lord HOLLAND contended that the House ought not to proceed to the inischief, as they were void in law, and the progeny were illegitimate. estion of an important measure without full information. The King's The crime however was not now a capital felony, as that part of the law sugeh said, “ It is to be regretted that associations should exist in had been repealed.-Mr. GRATTAN defended Messrs. O'Connell and
and shieh bare adopted proceedings irreconcileable with the spirit of Shiel from the imputations cast upon them.-The motion was agreed to. pe Constitution, and calculated, by exciting alarm and by exasperating Mr. Maberly gave notice of a motion for the repeal of the Assessed
e muities, to endanger the peace of society, and to retard the course of Taxes. Luasl improvement.” Now wben he (Lord Holland) read this passage,
Thursday, Feb. 10. soked round in to see what this association was, and it struck him
Sir G. Hill presented a petition from the county of Londonderry, se it was the Iris.? Cabinet! (Hear!). That, indeed, was an associa- praying for the suppression of the Catholic Association.--Ordered to be Snyre aptrary to the spirit of the constitution of this country; for it was printed. ed upon a system of disunion and counteraction, which might be seen
To a question put respecting the Report of the Chancery Committee, very one of its measures, and which was only equalled in this respect the SolicitOR GENERAL replied, that he believed a partial Report would tbe English Cabinet! The evils described in the speech were, exciting be made, in a very short time by the Commission. (Much laughing.) and exasperating ani vosities, and thereby endangering the peace
CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. mbetety, and retarding the prosperity of the country. Now the line of
Mr. GOULBURN rose to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relating to *leet adopted by Government seemed to him to be exactly calculated unlawful Associations in Ireland. He said, that the Catholic Association keep up these animosities until one of the parties at length carried its
had risen to a station which was calculated to alarm every honest man, sect by force; for he could not help thinking the present measure the
because it was calculated to deprive Ireland of that returning peace and mien ! impolitic that ever was propose 'd, and he conjured their Lordsbips,
prosperity of which it stood so much in need. It had been admitted, that Hey valued the laws and liberties on their country, not to have recourse
ibis Body did virtually represent the Irish Catholics ; but the law was not a banefal and disgusting measure, without fall and substantial evidence |
to be virtually evaded, and a Body was not to be tolerated that superseded it absolute necessity.
the legal Authorities of the land. Mr. Goulburn described the AssociaLard BATHURST opposed and Lord Carna BVON supported the motion
tion as self-elected; that it differed from other Assemblies, because there Fateh was lost, on a division, by a majority o.' 22, 20 voting for and 42
was but one opinion amongst its Members, and therefore there was rast it.
no mitigating discussion ; that among its body were men who were Thursday, Feb. 10.
the friends of Tone, Einmett, Russell, and other traitors who had borne STATE OF IRELAND.
arms in the Irish rebellion against the King's troops; that some of the Lord LIVERPOOL moved for the appointment of a Committee to inquire Catholic Aristocracy and Gentry were also Members; (Hear, hear!) that a the state of Ireland. The object of the inquiry would be, bis Lord- it proceeded according to all the recognised forms of a Parliament, having at said, to ascertain the circnmstances that led to the disturbances which its Committees of Finance, of Grievances, of Justice, &c.; that it had suborSee the subject of inquiry last Session; but the Catholic question, as it I dinate Ageuts under its controul, and collected an operous and grievous tax
-(Hear!) The Catholic Priests, Mr. G. said, were employed in pro. I was clear, had failed, and se would every otber system, until Emancipa. curing the payment of the Rent, and regular books were kept, in which tion was granted.-Mr. Abercromby concluded, amidst loud cheering, by not only those who paid, but those who refused to pay, were inscribed; stating that he should resist to the utmost the measure of the Right Hon. and an influence, amounting to direct compulsion, (Hear, hear!) was Gentleman.
Sir H. PARNELL said, that the proceedings of the Catholic Association absolutely in force, for censure was bestowed on those who were backward | in their offerings. This could not therefore be called a voluntary con had been most grossly misrepresented, and he defied its opponents to tribution. He did not complain of the Association's retaining the Irish I prove that it had any mischievous intentions towards the Protestant interest.
The great object of the Rept press in their interest, nor of its disseminating Cobbett's writings; but of its conduct bad been temperate and legal. its unjustifiable interference with the administration of justice, he thongbt was to show that the Catholic population was not, as had been so often the Legislature had a right to complain. (Hear!) He might be told, that alleged, indifferent on the question of Emancipation. Men who suffered Associations in England took a similar course; but it did not follow that that ought at least to be allowed to murmur, and it was the safest way to let which might be permitted in England could be allowed in Ireland; and the I them. The bill would only create greater evils than those complained ot. mode of interference of the Catholic Association could not be permitted | The Union with Ireland was only a anion by Act of Parliament, and he without manifest mischief. Their agents interfered with the criminal pro. I warned the House of the dangers likely to follow on the enactment of this
They should think of the temper it ceedings in the Courts, and they perplexed tbe administration of justice. I perpicious bill. (Hear, hear').
ogoh of the ponple, not less than It was true, the Association exhorted the Irish people to preserve the peac&i eren millions discontented, irritated, and lying close upon England !
-but how? Therint neiigion, by the hatred they bore the Orange. He conjured them to pause in this first step, for they might be assured of men! Could a real Christian have indicted this address, in which love this, that they could not rest there. (Hear, hear!) of God and batred of their neighbours were inculcated in the same sen- Mr. L. Foster contended that the Catholic Association ought to be put tence? (Hear!) Such a conjunction must be deemed abominable in I down, for it was spreading dread and disunion throughout Ireland. any period of Christianity: yet this document was read from the Catho. lic altars instead of a sermon. The Protestants viewed such proceedings
Mr. J. WILLIAMS insisted that if the Bill should pass (which God with alarm, Government could not tamely allow of them, and Parliament
avert!) it would never be of use in Ireland : to give it any effect, a miliwas called upon to rid the country of a danger which threatened not only
tary force would be necessary (Hear, hear!) Government had begun at to perpetuate political divisions, but to re-awaken religious animosities in
the wrong end, and must retrace their steps, instead of persevering in the all their force and bitterness. Mr. Goulburn next proceeded to explain
old system of penal laws. To attain the great benefits they proposed, it the measure proposed to arrest the evil he had dilated upon. It was
was necessary to do justice to all ranks, and not to load that long-oppressed intended to extend the provisions of the Act he had formerly introduced
country with new penal inflictions, under a reigo, loo, of a Monarch who for the Suppression of Secret Societies. The bill would render unlawful
had shown in another kingdom, how friendly he himself was, when not all societies assuming to act for redress of grievances, which were to have
trammelled by the influence of Ministers, to measures of a wise, enlighta permanent duration, or appointed committees to meet for above a certain
ened, and beneficent nature. (Hear, hear!) time, and which levied or collected money. It would also render illegal
Mr. PBbl entered upon a variety of argument to show that the Associaall societies affiliated which corresponded with other societies, which
tion was an unconstitutional and dangerous assembly. They had been excluded persons of any religious faith, and which took oaths otherwise
told, he said, that every peasant in Ireland was a member of the Catholic than as directed by law. There would be exemptions of certain socie
Association. If this were so, was not justice likely to be tainted in its ties, which met for purposes connected merely with trade, agrioulture,
administration (Cheers), when Dearly every person who was qualified to charity, and others of a harmless nature. The party charged with being
sit upon a common jury was disqualified by his own act? Was not a sys: a member would be prosecuted by indictment alone; so that in cases of
tem which gave rise to such inconvenience, neutralizing and rendering vexatious prosecutions, the Attorney-General might have an opportunity
null the various benefits which Parliament bad recently conferred upon of interference. He hoped most sincerely that these measures would
the Catholics of Ireland? Was it not a fit subject for jealousy, when it restore peace to Ireland. 'By adopting them, Parliament would show to
was found that the Catholic Association had instituted committees of the world that it would listen to no threat—that it would despise anything
finance, of grievance, and of education? The assumption of such powers like dictation. (Hear!) The result of the measure would be to remove
was inconsistent with public liberty, and ought therefore to be put down from Ireland the scenes which he had described, and restore that much
without delay. The House was accustomed to admire the popular part disturbed country to peace and happiness. (Hear!) In this hope, he
of its constitution, and justly; for the checks by which it was guarded rose to move “ That leave be given to bring in a bill to amend certain
were extremely wise. It held its deliberations under the will of the Acts for the suppression of unlawful societies in Ireland.”
Crown, which could be suspended by it at any moment. No such check Mr.J. SMITH begged to remind the Right Hon. Gentloman of the nite place, and was free from all controul as to their time or duration.
existed upon the Catholic Association, which held its meetings in no deficries, “ To hell or Connaught!" fulminated against the Catholics, of the ha conflagration of their houses and the burning of their properties! (Hear!) |
house never instituted a criminal prosecution without great precaution, and They were matters of historical record. The Orange party had long
:? always with the consent of the Crown. The House, too, always guarded possessed the power of domination, and in some instances the Magistrates
| against bearing down an individual by its weight; but no such scruple had abused their authority. The late Lord Chancellor of Ireland said,
existed in the Catholic Association; it was under no controul as to the after an acquaintance with that country of many years, that “there was
prosecutions it instituted, and even went deliberately to create prejudices one law for the poor and another for the rich; but both were equally ill
against the accused, by distributing er parte statements of the evidence administered.” (Hear, hear!) He did not approve of connecting the
against him. In the House they were not accustomed to vote away money Supreme Being with feelings of vengeance; but bad the Catholics no
to individuals, without a Committee being appointed to examine into his exculpatory plea? was not iheir conduct the result of a long series of
claims to remuneration. The Catholic Association voted away money at insult and injury ?-If the Orangemen were united, was it wonderful
will, and thus arrogated to itself powers which were possessed by no that the Catholics should associate? Harsb measures would only irritate l of establishing the principles on which it was founded
other body in the country. (Cheers). What would be the consequence the Irisb people. There was one mode, and one mode alone, of tranquil
the establisan lizing Ireland. (Hear, hear !) It was to grant to the Irish Catholics a
of counter-associations in all directions, by individuals for their own profull participation in those rights which their Protestant brethren pos.
tection. The country would in consequence be filled with dismay, confusessed. (Hear!) Was it not shameful that such disabilities should be
sion, and anarchy; for if Parliament would not provide protection for allowed to exist, at a moment when they saw, in bis Majesty's Hanoverian
individuals, it might be taken as a certain truth, tbat individuals would posssessions, the most extensive toleration ? (Hear!) The same observa
very soon provide it for themselves. (Great cheers). It appeared theretion was applicable to Canada; and he could also refer, on this subject,
fore to him, both with reference to the political mischief and the corrup
tion in the administration of justice which this Association was to several other parts of the world.
culated to create, that the House was bound to apply the remedy Mr. ABERCROMBY was of opinion that the course about to be pursued whicb bis Right Honourable Friend bad that evening proposed. su towards Ireland, so far from producing tranquillity, was calculated to cient had been shown to justify the Goveroment in applying the recy create irritation and engender sedition. Emancipation was the only wea- I wbich his Right Honourable Friend had pointed out to it. He boped, pon by which they could overturn the Catholic Association, for so long as therefore, that Parliament would do its duty; and if it did, those who they refused justice, so long would they keep up the Association. (Hear, I resisted its decrees must be responsible for their opposition to it. hear!) How could the Catholics be blamed for endeavouring to obtain | Right Honourable Gentleman then sat down amid loud cheering. . the general rights enjoyed by their fellow-subjects? They bad a right | Mr. Denman, in allusion to the Bridge-street Association, askea." to associate for a redress of grievances. As to the Catholic Priests, if that body had united to repel attacks made on itself? or to complain on me their conduct was wrong in inixing in public matters, was not that of the unequal administration of justice among its own members? or to volunteer Protestant Political Bishop equally censurable. For his own part he dis the office of Attorney-General, and to undertake the prosecution of various liked tbe union of priest and politician, of whatever persuasion, consider- I state offences ? (Great cheering.) They acted as if the Attorney.Geners ing it extremely mischievous. The Catholic Association had, it was said, I was either blind, or negligent of or inadequate to his duty; and thinking interfered with public justice; but how! It had made the rich man feel themselves very superior persons, when, in point of fact, they were very that he was amenable to the law, and had shown the poor man that he inferior ones, instituted a series of jobs, (Great cheering) which they need not despair of justice. This was a great good, instead of an evil. I called prosecutions against individuals for offences, for which, if they had The Catholic spirit was increasing, and the proposed bill, would only add been guilty, they ought to have been attacked by the Attorney-General: to that spirit: if they would not emancipate them, they had better let (Cheers.) The Catholic Association, on the contrary, subscribed only, to things alone. The real ground of opposition to Catholic Emancipation prosecute those who bad injured Catholics, and to repel aggressions under was Protestant monopoly. (Hear, hear!) Lord Wellesley's stom, it I which he trusted that no class of the king's subjec!!! would ever rest que le
(Hear, hear!) They were aggrieved by degrading laws and unjust dertake, as a body, to bring about a reform in Church and State, exclusions, and in consequence were treated with a degree of partiality | The moment the Association became representative, that moment they by the magistracy of Ireland which was hardly credible in this country. acted against the privileges of Parliament and the spirit of the ConstituHad the Orange system been abolished ? (Hear, kear!). It bad' not; tion ; for to assume the representation of six millions of people was to and it was notorious that this Catholic Association had arisen as its coun commit an act hostile to the safety of the kingdom. (Hear!) If the terpart, to protect their population from lawless oppression, and to endea Government did not put such an Association down, it would utterly Tour to secure for them that redress of grievances" without which it were | abandon its duty.-Mr. P. proceeded at some length in his argument, vain to hope for tranquillity. (Hear, hear!) It was idle to say that this and then entered on a justification of himself for the changes which had Association bad usurped the forms and functions of Parliameni, and had occurred in his sentiments during his political life. He said that the levied taxes. The reverse wasthe fact. They bad not levied taxes, but col: Irish people would not at all regret the breaking up of the Association; leeted subscriptions, voluntarily given to protect themselves from oppression. and he spoke of Mr. O'Connell as a wild and extravagant politician, (Hlear, hear' Again and again he would ask, why were the Catholics | though of great eminence in his profession, and amiable in private life to be denounced for obtaining subscriptions for the prosecution of their
Mr. TIERNEY said he was not the advocate of the Catholic Association, rights? No such attempt had been made to drown the clamourous con.
but he could not consent to have the liberty of the subject violated by viations among the agriculturists, when they pressed upon Parliament for
this attempt to put them down. The Association might be extremely relief. Indeed, he recollected at that time, that so loud were the country
objectionable, but, in God's name, let them have some better proofs than gentlemen in their demands for redress, that even the Hon. Member for
the bạre assertions of Honourable Gentlemen! Oh! but intemperate Somersetsbire (Sir T. Lethbridge) declared himself a reformer, so violent
speeches were made, and they had an army-an army of 30,000 men was his attack upon Ministers for deserting his favourite questionHear,
armed with a leather bag, and a slate to register their collections! (Much hear!) It was time that Parliament should seek to discover some other
laughter.) And this army, too, was headed by 2,500 Priests! And, why remedy for the evils of Ireland, than by the augmentation of penal statutes.
not? If they used the money for an illegal purpose, why did they not There was a remedy that had never yet been tried, but which was plain
say so: but the House knew the real state of the case, and this general and compendious-redress the people's grievances, emancipate the Catholics
contribution had only reached the paltry sum of 20,0001. (Hear, hear!) from the trammels of bad laws, remove the cause, and then the effect will
It were idle to suppose that the subscription would not go on, even if the follow; with the grievance will depart the evil; and then Parliament
Association was destroyed. The Bill would only compel the Catholic to will bare acted not only with justice and wisdom, but in obedience to the
do that secretly which was now openly done, which would be equally united recommendation of the wisest statesmen of modern times. (Hear,
foolish and impolitic. But the proceedings of the Association were said kear!)-After a variety of forcible remarks, Mr. D. concluded by avowing
to be contrary to the Spirit of the Constitution. The Spirit of the Conhis opposition to the proposed ipeasure, wbich he believed would turn out
stitution! A laugh.) This was always the phrase used whenever a to be one of the most destructive ever introduced into a Christian country!
measure of this sort was wanted ; yet he could never learn what was (Loud cheers.)
meant by the Spirit of the Constitution—nobody could explain what it
was! (Much laughing.)-The Roman Catholics were right in taking The debate (at a quarter past two o'clock) was then adjourned. their grievances into their own hands, after the repeated disappointments Friday, Feb. 11.
they had endured. No country had ever been more insulted than Ireland. CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. ADJOURNED DEBATE.
(Hear!) The question of the Catholic claims is blinked by a Cabinet, Mr. GRATTAN maintained that the proposed Bill was nothing less than
in which 6 out of 13 of its Members are said to support it, and a severely an Orange measure,-a declaration of war, against the Catholics. The
| penal Bill is brought forward instead! He was quite satisfied, that, if wrongs of Ireland were heavy and numerous, and the people were kept
the question was carried, it would not break up the Administrationdown by the bayonet.
some at least of the Members would not turn tail-(laughter -particuCaptain MABERLY contended that Ministers had brought forward this
larly a Noble and Learned Lord, of great influence-he, Mr. T. was quite rujoous measure on the very flimsiest pretences. He cautioned them to
sure, would not go away;—for there would be so many doubts and rebe circumspect, and earnestly recommended them to grant the Irish peo considerations of the subject of retirement, that he would always see ple the privileges enjoyed by their Protestant brethren, else a time might
reason to hint that " they might have leave to mention it again on come when they would be exacted by a sanguinary but successful rebel
Tuesday!" (Much laughing.) He was convinced, that if the present lion !-(Hear, hear!)
Minority of six would do their duty in the Cabinet, all the Members Sir N. COULTHORST approved the Bill; which was opposed by Colonel
would be as friendly together in a week as they were at present. The DAVIES.
Hon. Gent. at the conclusion of his speech, insisted on the dangerous conMr. DONERTY Contended that no assembly had ever sat, which had | dition of Ireland, and of the whole empire, so long as the Catholic question presumed to publish such inflammatory and incendiary discussions as the should be undetermined; and on the expediency of Lord Wellesley and Catholic Association. (Hear!) Such a body would not be endured in the Right Hon. and Learned Gent, withdrawiog from office if they could England, and it should not be allowed in Ireland, it was a joint-stock not persuade themselves to give their earnest and serious support to it. company to carry on and foster litigation, and overawe the administra
He then expatiated on the immediate danger which any convulsions tion of justice. Hear, hear!)
in France or Spain would threaten to Ireland in its present condition, Mr. JAMES DALY was not surprised at the proceedings of the Catholic
and the present condition of the question ; and expressed his determinaAssociation, when emancipation was so unjustly denied to the Irish
tion most heartily to oppose this Bill in every stage. The Right Hon. people.
Gentleman sat down amidst loudcheers. ML WM. WILLIAMS was of opinion that the existence of the Associa
· Amidst tremendous cries of “ Adjourn," and after two divisions on tion was injurious to the real interests of the Catholics.
that question, the debate was FURTHER ADJOURNED till Monday, at a Mr. D. BROWN supported the Bill; while Mr. R. MARTIN objected to QUARTER TO Two O'CLOCK. it, believing it would fail in its operation. Mr. WARRE knew that Ireland was in a most deplorable condition, but
FROM THE LONDON GAZETTES. he was convinced that the disease required a far different remedy than
Tuesday, February 8. the one now proposed, which would leave things in a worse situation than Foreign Office, FBB. 8.-The King has been pleased to appoint bis they now were.
Grace the Duke of Northumberland, Knight of the Most Noble Order of Ńr. WYNN supported the Bill, as it bore as heavily on one party as the the Garter, to be his Majesty's Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipo. other.
tentiary to the King of France, on the occasion of his Most Christian Mr. CALCRAFT warned the House against attempting to stifle the voice
Majesty's Coronation. of the Irish people by such a measure as the present.
The King has also been pleased to appoint the Right Honourable Mr. PLUNKETT said, that the bill attacked all the unconstitutional Frederick Lamb to be his Majesty's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Societies jo Ireland, whether in behalf or opposed to the Catholic claims.
Plenipotentiary at the Court of his Catholic Majesty. That country was in a state of unexampled prosperity, owing to the wise government of the Marquis Wellesley, not to the existence of the Catho
BANKRUPTCY ENLARGED. lic Association; but if he thought so, that would only be conclusive in
J. F. Bennallack, Truro, Cornwall, scrivener, from Feb. 12 to April 2, at favour of the present measure. (Hear, hear !) Peace was restored before the Association was founded, and the Roman Catholic Priests,—a
ten, at Basinghall-street, London. most excellent, though calumnied body of men,--had been mainly in
BANKRUPTS. #rumental in the good work. (Hear, hear, hear!) Then why, it might
S. P. Eady, Dean-street, Soho, dealer. Solicitor, Mr. Sherriff, Salisburybe asked, bring forward this measure? Because, though at peace, Ire
street, Strand. land was in a high state of political excitation and alarm, owing to the
| W. B. Williams, Upper Brook-street, Grosvenor-square, tailor. Solicitor, desperate and dangerous proceedings of the Catholic Association. He
Mr. Dignam, Newman-street. was one of those who thought the Catholic claims should be conceded;
J. Wood, Great Russel-street, Bloomsbury,silversmith. Solicitors, Messrs. but if they could not be carried, were they not to provide against the
Hamilton and Ullithorne, Tavistock-row, Covent-garden. consequences to which a refusal might lead in the present sanguine state
W. Savage, Fetter-lane, victualler. Solicitors, Messrs. Freeman and of the public mind in Ireland ? (Ěear, hear!) Mr. P. proceeded to Heathcote, Coleman-street. describe the Catholic Association as a body whose existence was incom
Saturday, February 13. patible with the security of the State, as it levied contributions on the
BANKRUPT. Depolation, employed numerous agents, &c. &c. all'in direct violation of E. J. Mallough, Belvidere-place, Walworth, merchant. Solicitors, De British Constitution, though not perhaps illegal in the strict sense, Messrs. Ashley a" Goodman, Tokenhouse-yard. Amp if it was, they need not have resoried to the present bill. He con- R. Willock, Larastos; wine-merchant. Solicitors, Messrs. Holme and
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