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but the meeting was totally unconnected with politics. Differing as he Catholic myself, and have no passions on this subject to be inflamed, but did from that illustrious individual, he could not blame him for the honest I think it would be better if we were all to confine our observations to and open avowal of bis sentiments. Under these considerations he had the measure now before Parliament, and not wander into long discussions acted; and, as he had answered both the charges brought against him, about transubstantiation, and other matters which we none of us underhe should dismiss the subject altogether. (Great applause.) With stand.--(Cheers.) With the arguments which the gentleman founded regard to the individual who had made this attack, he only knew him as on what the Catholics have done in former times, we have really nobaving published a book, whose sole object was to traduce the liberal thing at all to do.-(Cheers.) What was done we cannot tell with any institutions of his own country. As an Elector of Westminster, he should degree of certainty; for a great pumber of charges which are made by always attend this anniversary, because it was the anniversary of a great the one side are positively denied by the other; and which speaks the example set to the people of England, which had shown ihem how reform truth, we have no means of knowing. But of one thing we are tolerably. was to be carried. After a few more observations, Mr. L. sat down certain, for it is proved by impartial historians of all parties, that, at amidst considerable applause.
times and seasons, both Protesiants and Catholics have gone to extremes Mr. WHITBREAD and Sir Robert Wilson, returned thanks on their and extravagances ;-(loud cheers)—and as all parties have been guilty, healths being drunk.
Tit would be the extreme of injustice to inflict punishment The healths of Mr. M. Fitzgerald, Mr.J. Burdelt, Mr. Ponsonby, and dredth generation of the Catholics, for what was done by their foreMr. O'Connell, were then drunk with enthusiasm.
fathers.-(Loud cheers.) One argument which has been used agaiust. “ Mr. Honeywood, and the Electors of Keut."-Mr. HoneYWOOD, in | Catholic emancipation, amongst that class of persons to which I belong, returning thanks, begged to assure the electors of Westminster, that his and to which I now address myself,-is, that they have the same chance principles with respect to Reform were uncbanged, and be trusted
of becoming Members of Parliament as other people, if they would conunchangeable.
form to the same opinions; but do you not see this sort of argument Sir F. BURDBTT next proposed the healths of the Hon. M. Fitzgerald, would go to justify every sort of tyranny ? it would justify Ferdinand, $. Rice, Esq. M.P., D. O'Connell, Esq. and the Hon. Members of Par: and the Inquisition in Spain. If a Spanish Protestant were to complain liament presept, who were friends to Reform.
that he was excluded from civil rights, he might then be answered by Mr. M. FITRGERALD returned tbanks.
some Roman Catholic, “ You have only to do as we do: become a CathoMr. O'CONNELL, on being loudly called, came forward; and was lic, and you will be entitled to the same privileges with us."—(Cheers.) warmly applauded. His unwillingness, he said, to trespass on their
This was something like the legislature passing å law that all men with attention, was increased by his inability-by the impossibility wbich he
wooden legs should be hanged: If a person who had the misfortune lo felt of giving adequate utierance to the sentiment of gratitude that pene
| be in that condition should complain of the law, on the principle I have trated his soul, and to the sense of high obligations which be, in coinmon
alluded to, a man who had both his legs might say to him, “ It is the same with his countrymen, felt towards that illustrious man, Sir F. Burdett.
for one as another. You have the same chance as I have; for if I had There could not be found in the British Empire a purer Representative;
a wooden leg, I must be hanged too."-(Cheers and laughter.) It would and never was he more delighted than with the ability and eloquence with
seem that the Catholics can get all they want in the easiest manner, which he illustrated the first principle and precept of Christianity that
imaginable: for they have only to take an oath, to be admitted to the nightm" the doing unto others as we would be done by.” He would
same privileges as Protestants. Now, as the gentlemen say they care take soine pride and vanity to himself for being the person who first sug.
| nothing about oaths, and can break an oath at any time, why need they gested, and who was instrumental in obtaining for his countrymen, Sir
bother about emancipation ?-(Tremendous cheering.) I now beg to make Francis Burdett as their leading advocate ; and in the petition which he
a few observations on what Mr. Peel said on this subject in the House of
Commons, if a working man like myself may be allowed to comment on (Mr. O'Connell) prepared, that participation of equal rights was solicited
the speech of a Minister of State : and I would here observe, that I do on the principle laid down by Sir Francis Burdeti that night-on a desire
not find fault with Mr. Peel for opposing Catholic emancipation. If lie of sbaring liberty in common with other Dissenters, and on the ground of
honestly thinks it would be dangerous, he does right to oppose it to the religious liberty being a civil rigbt. (Loud cheers.) If in the struggle
utmost of his power. I think it would not be dangerous, and therefore I to obtain this object, difficulties beset us; if violence was manifested-if
support it. I think the opposition to it arises froin unfounded prejudices : aught of obstacle or unpleasantness occurred, let it be borne in mind the
but I hope the time will come, and before long, when even the prejudices object of the prize for which we contend is, the becoming the brothers
of Mr. Peel will disappear, and wben Catholics and Protestants shall take of Britons. (Great applause.) The name of Sir Francis Burdett would
each other by the hand, and bury their discords and animosities in obliserve as a spell-word in bis native country to sustain them in their present
| vion.-(Loud cheers.) Mr. Peel, in his last speech, drew an argument disappointment, and to cheer them to future exertions for the recovery from what has been recently going on in France. It seems they have of their rights; and the respect they bore him would also actuate them in
passed some sort of a severe law in that country, about what they call following his counsel, and to seek redress for the long and unmerited
sacrilege: and Mr. Peel maintained that on that account we ought oot wrong, by those means, and those means only, which tbe constitution
to emancipate the Catholics. But if the French are illiberal, I do not see sanctioned. (Loud cheering followed Mr. O'Connell's speech.)
why we should become tyrants.-(Cheers.) There are in this country a On the health of Mr. John Williams and the prosperity of the Bar many Catholics, and a great many Protestants. Let us all consult each being drank, that Gentleman returned thanks, and observed, the cause others' interests and cultivate each others' good will.-(Cheers.) Let us which they were at present met to celebrate was the cause of freedom in live together as one people, and let foreign nations, if they will, pursue general, and he hoped it would shame the rest of England to imitate their tyranny, till tyranny pursues them.-(Loud cheers.) It has been said conduct.
that when Catholics are in power, they are enemies of liberty ; but I am “ The health of Mr. J. Smith, and the other independent Members of sure they are not enemies to their own liberty; and I do not think they Parliament.” · After wbiclı, that of Lord Cochrane. Mr. TheLWALL then are enemies to the liberties of others. They declare they are not; and proposed * The Liberty of tbe Press” in a short speech. The toast was | I do not see how we are to gather their sentiments but from their declaradruuk with great enthusiasm.
tions, unless we can dive into their opinions with a diving bell.-4 The meeting broke up at eleven o'clock.
laugh.) The last speaker but one, in answer to what Teil from the first speaker, asked how gentlemen could think of admitting the Catholics to
power, if they would be so disloyal as to resort to insurrection to obtain · SPEECH OF A COTTON SPINNER.
it: Now I say, that if the Catholics think themselves oppressed and un. [The following Speech is given, as affording another proof of the intelli justly dealt with, I should not consider it a mortal crime if they were to
gence which is to be found in the working classes of England-those seek for better masters.-(Loud cheers.) A person that I was lately classes, from whom valuable political rights are withheld, on the conversing with on this subject maintained that the Catholic religion false and impudent pretence that they are too ignorant to exercise made people cowards. He said, “ Don't you see how the Spaniards were them properly.- What would Sir THOMAS LETABRIDGE, or Lord beaten-low they submitted to Ferdinand ? Why did not they do as the Rolle, or his Royal Highness of YORK, or hundreds of others in South Americans did ?" I replied, that the South Americans were Cathoboth Houses, give to be able to make so sensible a one? “ Higher lics as well as the Spaniards; on which he said, Oh dear! I had quite orders indeed! Heaven mend them!]
forgotten that."-(A laugh.) If every working man would consider this Mr. Hopgins (an operative collon-spinner, whose speech, at a meeting subject attentively, a great many of them would find that they have not held about two months ago respecting the Combination Laws, some of our bitherto understood it; they would discover that they have had very readers may remember) then came forward; and asked whether a work erroneous impressions about it. I hope they will endeavour to under: ing man was entitled to address the meeting. On being answered in the stand it, and then they will cease to dislike their Catholic brethren, affirmative, he said, " I come forward with the view of arguing the ques There is need that we should all be united; for the efforts which our tion now before the meeting, with working men, like myself, of whom most enlightened statesmen are now making to give peace to Ireland, I see a good many here. I know that there are gentleman present, of will be sure to excite the ill-will and the hatred of foreign powers, who great eloquence, and much better qualified than I am to discuss this ques. would be glad to witness the continuance of such a source of weakness tion: but then their eloquence is not always convincing to the working and danger to this country.-(Cheers.) In conclusion (I address myself man's mind, because it is frequently above his comprehention: it is a particularly to the working men here) I am sure you canoot but oppose dish of fish that he does not understand.-(A laugh.) Now I, who am a the amendinent which the gentleman has proposed, and thus satisfy him working ma: myself, bave paid some atiention to this subject, and that working men are more liberal than hidseif.--[This speech delivered having formed certain opinions upon it, I now come forward to deliver by a man in a fustian jacket, and wliose whole appearance betokened those opinions to my fellow-workinan. In the first place, I beg to make that he had left his daily labour that morning to attend the meeting, a few observations on the speech of the gentleman who spoke the last produced an effect which we have seldom seen equalled, and, certainly but one (Mr. Braidley.) I cannot help thinking that he wishes rather to never exceed l. The Speaker retired amidst loud and reiterated intiame our passions than to appeal to our understandings. I am no cheering.) 19. mehrster Paper,
· THE PRESS IN INDIA.—MR. BUCKINGHAM—THE same control over themselves that we did. The progress of knowledge JOHN BULL.
in India must be slow : milk was for babes, meat for men. The effect of On Monday the Privy Council was occupied in hearing arguments on
introducing into India any regulations inconsistent with the policy by 'an appeal entered by Mr. Buckingham against " a certain regulation,
which it had hitherto been governed, would be to cause scenes of bloodissued by the Governor-General and Council of Bengal." The principal shed and warfare, and might not only separate the country from us, but object of this regulation was to render the right of publishing a news. | perhaps throw it into the hands of one of our enemies. paper in India dependent on the obtaining of a licence from the Go
Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE contended, that the freedom of the press was vernment, which licence was revocable at the pleasure of the Government, totally incompatible with the existence of Indian society. During the
Mr. Denman and Mr. Williams appeared for the appellant: Mr. time the Calcutta Journal continued, it created a most feverish state of Sergeant Bosanquet, Mr. Serjeant Spankie, Mr. Brougham, and Mr.
public mind. It acted like a perpetual blister or a sirocco, which daily Tindal, for the East India Company
assailed the inhabitants of Calcuita. Mr. DENMAN observed, that Mr. Buckingham had, by the operation of
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that having been pointedly alluded to, he would, ordinance against which he appealed, been reduced from a state of with their Lordship's permission,submit a few observations to the Council. affluence to one of comparative poverty. Under the Act of George III.
The Earl of HARROWBY stated, that Mr. Brougham could not address the Supreme Government in India had the power of publishing certain
| the Council, because it was the custom to hear only ewo counsel on each : , regulations, which acquired the force of laws on being registered in the Supreme Court; but that statute contained a restrictory clause, that those
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Council shortly after regulations should not be repugnant to the laws of England. It was on
broke up. The decision will be given on a future day. the ground that the regulation issued with regard to the press was repugnant to the law of England, that Mr. Buckingham had appealed against it. The regulation in question was not the act of Lord Hastings,
UNITED PARLIAMENT.. but the act of Mr. Adam, the Deputy Governor-General. Within a very short period after the regulation was registered, the licence was with
HOUSE OF LORDS. drawn from the Calcutta Journal. In the preamble to the regulation, it
Thursday, May 26. was stated that matters tending to bring the Government into contempt,
LAW OF ATTAINDER. and to disturb the peace and good order of society, had of late been Lord HOLLAND moved the second reading of the Bill he had intro.. frequently circulated in newspapers. It might be expected that some duced respecting the Law of Attaioder, the object of which was, he said, ! evidence would have been brought forward in support of that statement, not to lessen the punisbment of treasonable offenders, but to confine it to but there was none. But allowing that the statement was true with the guilty. The second reading was opposed by Lords MELVILLE, respect to some newspapers, it was false with respect to the Calcutta REDESDALE, and ELDON,—the latter observing, that with respect to the Journal, which had been unjustly deprived of its' licence. Only two principle of the law of attainder and corruption of blood, he thought, actions for libel had been instituted against that paper. In one of them when it was considered how extensively rainous the consequences of a verdict of acquittal was recorded, and the other was still pending treasonable practices might be to the very existence of families, there was because the prosecutor had not thought proper to prosecute it. But what no reason to complain if some portion of the punishment of a defeated if some newspapers bad abused the liberiy of publishing, was that a reason treason was made to fall upon the families of those by whom it had been : for destroying the freedom of the press altogether? Because the bran set on foot.-On a division, the bill was thrown out by 15 to 12. ches of a tree were too luxuriant, was it proper to grub up the root? The
Friday, May 27. regulation placed an arbitrary power in the hands of the Government, Lord LIVERPOOL, after a brief speech, proposed an Address for a. which might be (he would not say it had been abused. He would sup- addition to the incomes of the Duchess of Kent and Duke of Cumberland, pose that the Editor of the Calcutta Journal had been twice prosecuted which was agreed to without opposition. (See the Commons on this for libel, and in one case acquitted ; and in the other only not acquitted subject.) because the prosecutors were afraid to proceed with the case. He would suppose that in England a paper was circulated of the basest description
HOUSE OF COMMONS. - whose daily food was the misery which it caused-whose principal
Thursday, May 26. prey was fame and characler-which had selected an exalted female,
CRUELTY AND OPPRESSION. and endeavoured to drive her to solitude, to exile, perhaps to death-1.
A petition from Mr. B. Coile was presented by Mr. J. SMITH, com- ; which had held out the terror of its contaminating touch over every lady plaining of the sufferings the Petitioners endured in Ireland, in 1796, of rank who ventured to pay to that illustrious female the homage which
1803, and 1804, owing chietly to the conduct of Dr. Trevor (still living) her rank and her virtues demanded—which had been frequently visited
the Jailer at Chilwainham. "The Petitioner gave instances of the brutal by prosecutions for malignant libels on the living and the dead, respecting
treatment he had endured, and concluded by declaring, that both his which no astonishment had been excited except as to the leniency of the
health and his fortune, amounting at one time to 40,000i. had been deresults, which somehow or other was supposed to have got hold of the
stroyed by the persecutions he had suffered ; and prayed reparation from patronage or connexion of Government, (unlike the libellers of foriner
the House. days, who boldly encountered the dangers of their profession), and basely
Mr. GOOLBURN observed, the grievances complained of were 30 years crouched under the shelter which that connexion afforded them. if
old, and almost all the persons stated to have been concerned in them such a paper existed in this country, it was not surprising that the colonies,
were dead. If Mr. Coile had been injured, the law had been open to with their love of imitation, should furnish a counterpart to it. He would him, and he ought to have availed himself of it at an earlier period. therefore suppose that some wretched pander might have thought it a
Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON challenged the Secretary for Ireland to congood speculation to set up a paper of a like infamous description at Cal.
tradict the facts alleged in the petition. It was ordered to be printed. cutta, and, in order to destroy Mr. Buckingham's influence on public
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. opinion, had assailed his moral character by libels of such an infamous The Serjeant-at-Arms baving reported that he had Robert Poer Trench description as had called forth an expression of horror from the Bench. Pilkington in custody, pursuant to an order of the House, the said He would further suppose that this paper still continued to enjoy the
R. P. T. Pilkington was put to the bar, and asked if he had anything to patronage of the Indian Government, whilst the Calcutta Journal, which say for his having forged a petition to the House from Ballinosloe in
favour of the Catholic Claims?-Upon this the Culprit observed, that all all these circumstances might take place under the regulation wbich the
he had to say was, that he had been guilty of a very foolish act, and was Indian Government had issued respecting the press, and therefore he very sorry for it.-After some conversation, it was agreed that a motion desired to have it revoked. The regulation was founded on a supposed | should be made to-morrow for his discharge on Monday. . necessity, which had in no way been made out: for these reasons he
Some conversation arose respecting Sierra Leone, and papers were called upon their Lordships to declare the regulation null and void. ordered on the subject. Mr. J. WILLIAMS contended that the other side were bound to prove
UNIVERSITY IN LONDON. that the regulation was not repugnant to the law of England, which, if Mr. BROUGHAM moved for leave to bring in a bill to incorporate a they failed to do, it was dicta est causa with regard to their case.
College or University in the City of London. The object of this UniverMr. Serjeant BOSANQUET observed, that all ihe argument of his learned sity was to bring the advantage of education within the reach of those friends rested upon the clause contained in the Act of Parliament re- who could not afford to send their children to Oxford or Cambridge, stricting the Indian Government from framing any regulation or ordinance and who were averse to sending them from their own roof.-Leave was which should be repugnant to the laws of England. The phrase must given. be interpreted in this way-that no regulation should be framed repug
STATE OF IRELAND. nant to ibe English law as applicable to India. All the laws of England Mr. S. Rice made a variety of judicious observations on the peculiar were not applicable to all the colonies. The principle of an interference state of things, in consequence of the decision of the House of Lords, with the press had been established at an early period of the history of which placed the two Houses in opposition on a question of the utmost India. I was impossible to apply English notions to the people of India. importance. He contended that the course which they ought to steer Their opinions were as unlike ours as their persons. The laws and was this to prove by evidence and authority that they were right in manners of England would fit the minds of the natives of India as ill as the view which they had taken of this great question, and that the House her clothing would fit their persons. To establish in India discussion on of Lords was wrong. He did not know how this could be better every subject, moral, political, and religious, would be as unwise as to effected than by the evidence and authority of the individual who had administer ardent spirits to the red inhabitants of America. We might been sent over as the King's representative to administer the affairs of use the deleterious liquid without becoming intoxicated; but the An Ireland under the most arduous and difficult circumstances. He thought rican Todian, immediately on quaffing it, harame delirious, and all the ihat Lord Wellesley, as an eye-witness, was better qualified than any
their consequences. (Hear!) He thought, too, that the opinion of actuated by nothing but what was most pure, referred to the case of the Lord Wellesley would have very great weight with the parties with seven Bishops. But, good Lord' Bishop, very different were the two whom he had to deal.- In the course of his speech, Mr. S. Rice alluded cases. The seven Bishops opposed the King and the Heir Apparent ; to a similar alarm which had been sounded in former periods.-In 1753, 1 they resisted the encroachments of arbitrary power; for this they went a bill was brought in for the naturalization of Jews-a measure against to trial, and for this they were prepared to go to the scaffold. The good which not even the voice of an old woman could now be raised, although Lord Bishop should remember, too, that by his opposition to the Cathoin its day it encountered a fierce attack, and drew forth petitions from lics, instead of exposing himself, as the seven Bishops did by their oppo. London and other places, as was the case of the late Catholic bill. The sition, to the liability of going to the Tower by water, and afterwards London petition set forth, that this bill “ would undermine our happy brought to trial, exposed himself only to the danger of greater promoConstitution in Church and State.” (Hear! and a laugh.) And it tion. (4 laugh.) The most imminent danger which he would run was further declared, that it " would be prejudicial to the interests of trade that of being removed from his own See to another-it might be better. generally, and of that of the City of London in particular." (Renewed (Laughter.) Another great risk which he ran was that of getting the “ Hears !" and laughter.) Sure he was, that, notwithstanding this extreme favour of the ruling party at Court. The jeopardy which he ran severe denunciation, the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not find the was that of going along with the High Court party and the Heir-appaintroduction of Jews even into Downing-street (a laugh), attended with rent; and his extreme devotion towards the rising sun would not, as the disastrous consequences foreboded. And in the debate upon the bill, sometimes happened, operate injuriously to the Right Reverend. Faa West-country Baronet, Sir William Dolby (a laugh), declared that if ther in God in the present reign; for in the course he was pursuing, he they admitted the naturalization of Jews, they would soon be outvoted would just do himself as much good in the present reign as he expected by them in Parliament. “ They will divide our estates," said he, “ in by reversion in the next. (Laughter.) Surely the persons who had put lots among their tribes, and sell our lands to the highest bidders." forth such libels on the Right Reverend Prelate to whom he alluded (A laugh. Sir John Barnard took a more deep theological view of would be subjected to prosecution. What could be more scandathe subject like that taken in a late petition from Leicester, which lous than to make a Right Reverend Father in God talk such charged the Catholics with being the descendants of those who had unaccountable nonsense? That it was a libel, any body who ran burned their ancestors—and said that the Jews were the offspring of might see-ay, if he ran as a Bishop would, from Chester to Durham those who had crucified their Saviour, and whose descendants to all (great laughter); or as a curate ran, which was, it was said, as the crow flew. generations laboured under the divine curse.” He referred to these Mr. B. then noticed "the trash” which had been uttered by certain extracts merely to show, that the old alarm was just as consistent as the Lords in another place, and observed that it gave him great satisfaction new. (Hear!) Lord Chatham stated in Parliament—" Religion has to know that though the House of Lords believed they had set the nothing to do with this dispute, but I see that the people have been made Catholic question at rest by mustering their large majorities, it never to believe it has, and the old High Church persecuting spirit has begun would be set at rest till that was done which alone could tranquillize to lay hold of them.” (Hear, hear!) So (said Mr. Rice) it was the old Ireland, giving her equal justice, and making equal law for the millions High Church love of exclusive power and profit, that was working as well as for the few. (Fear, hear!) The opponents of the Catholics against the Catholics, and had been used to delude the people ; and he might set forward their military commanders, they miglit array against was convinced that many who used such arts knew as well as he did them their subtile lawyers, for the first time changed by the new light that there was as little of religion in the late bill, as there was in that for which appeared to have broken in upon them from the declaration of the regulation of weights and measures. He concluded by moving an 'war, falsely ascribed to a Royal Duke. They might bring into the field address to His Majesty, praying that he would be pleased to give direc- their military patriots, and their legal patriois, and, by the assistance of tions that there be laid before the House copies or extracts of despatches, their proxies, obtain a triumph over Ireland, over England, over right, received from the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, respecting the origin, and over justice. That triumph, however, would be but momentary. It nature, and extent of religious animosities in that country, and the best was not easy to stifle the cry of six millions of their countrymen, even if means of allaying the same. (Hear, hear!)
that cry were wrong, much less when it was the cry of right, of reason, Mr. GOULBOURN said that there was no ground laid for the production and of justice, against mere brute power and unreasonable obstinacy, of the documents required, and that such a proceeding would tend to which set all justice at defiance. (Cheers.) To the people of Ireland irritate, not to soothe the people of Ireland.
he would now recommend submission to the law-bad, bad as it was; Sir J. NEWPORT earnesily supported the motion, and warned Ministers but he agreed with his Hon, Friend in counselling union-above all against the alarming course now pursued in respect to Ireland, whose things, union. (Cheers.) Let no little personal piques or local differunfortunate people, he said, seemed to be doomed to inhabit always ences divide them-let not even considerable differences of topinion for « Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
one moment split them who should unite as one man, and if united must “ And rest can pever dwell-hope never comes,
conquer. (Cheers.) The Lords, the Bishops, the Heir Presumptive to « That comes to all; but torture without end
the ihrone, all could not defeat them, nothing could do that but their “ Still urges.
own disunion and violence. He had to say, a few words respecting the Mr. BROWNLOW supported the motion.
disunion in the Cabinet. It did appear strange that the country should Mr. PEEL objected to the production of the dispatches (if there were
be governed by Ministers who could agree about a joint-stock company, any)--contending that the Government ought to be deemed the best
but could not upon a question which distracted a great part of the judges, whether their production would tend to good. He avowed,
empire. His late Majesty was an elderly man of formed habits, and however, that the sentiments of the Marquis Wellesley were unchanged.
his scruples were conscientious, and therefore entitled to some respect. Lord J. RUSSEL, Sir W. MAXWELL, and Colonel BAGWELL, supported
His present Majesty, however, was not in the same situation. He was, the motion.
to be sure, a man well stricken in years, though not of very venerable The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not see what good would
age (a laugh) and had no conscientious scruples that he had ever heard be caused by the production of the dispatches: he declared, however,
of (laughter) with respect to the Catholic question. On the contrary, that if he thought he could forward the great question of Catholic eman
his Majesty had always stated that he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation by going out of office, he would resign to-morrow. (Loud chects).
cipation. He had repeatedly given his pledge in private to support the He at the same time would readily acknowledge, that he could not see
question, to the leaders of the measure, and with that they had been how Ministers could be called upon to retire from the government at a
satisfied.-(Mr. CANNING suggested, that the Learned Gent. was purtime when the country was generally satisfied with them (hear, hear!)
suing an unparliamentary course in thus entering into details of the and when he did not know how a Government, ifthe presentone were now
private life of the King. ]—Mr. BROUGUAM said, he would pursue the broken, could be formed again, on account of their not being unanimous
matter no further. His object had been to show, that the scruples of the on this question...
Sovereign, which rendered the question a difficult one in the late reign, Mr. BROUGHAM contended, that it would only be doing justice to Lord
did not apply to the present. He hoped yet to see the day, however, Wellesley to produce the dispatches sought for. He could not, he said,
when a stand should be made for the question of Catholic Emancipation. allude to what had been urged in the House of Lords, but there was
Let the friends of that question make that stand when they might, it nothing to prevent his alluding to a libel printed in fair character by
was an act which must cover them with glory. (Hear, hear') if it so Benbow, the greatest libeller both of religion and of Government, which happened that they left office, they would, indeed, be quitting the smile modern times had produced. (Laughter, and cheers. That libel-a
Times of the Court, but they would quit it for the gratitude of the nation, and speech which never was spoken, which never could have been spoken by
for the still more delightful reward, the applause of their own hearts. an illustrious Person, whose sentiments it purported to express—had been
(Much cheering.) To address himself, however, to those--if any–who circulated by a Noble Peer. (Hear!) Of course, his Learned Friend
| might treat recompenses like these as somewhat visionary-who might the Attorney-General would move in the King's Bench against Benbow ;
consider the applause of a country, and feelings of self-approbation, as for nothing more scandalous, more monstrously injurious to the Ilus
topics pleasant to declaim about, but not, in practice, very profitable or trious Person in question, mortal fancy could devise, than to make
desirable-(Hear! and laughter)—to those Gentlemen he would suggest him say-as was done in the pretended speech that when he came to
-and this, at least, was a doctrine which they would listen to-there the Throne, he would not govern according to the principles of the Con
would not be much risk in making the stand adverted to, for he did not stitution, but according to a model and scale of his own--a scale which
think that the sacrifice of places would be demanded. They might carry even James II, never dreamed of governing by. (Cheers.) Certain Right
the Catholic questions if they put their strength to a proper use. But let Reverend Prelates, too, had in the same way been represented as having
Ireland be but true to herself-let unanimity prevail among her children mainiained most extraordinary doctrines. One, who had supported the
-let violence give place to sterling opposition, directed constitutionally, Catholics before he became a Bishop (a laugh), but was now opposed to
and he had still no doubt that, by herself, she might work out her own hem, bad-(would it be believed?)-he, (the Biskon) being of sound
salvation. mind (a laugh), in order to prove that he and his Riöt Reverend Bre- Mr. R. MARTIN was disposed to vote for the resolution, if his Hon. bre!! had no sinister motive in opposing the Catholic aus. but were | Friend persisted in bringing it forward: but as the maiority against it would certainly be large, he put it to his Hon. Friend-as a friend to the particularly attended to; and that, above all things, such edacation Catholic cause-whether it was worth while to press it to a division, should be in this country.
Mr. PLUNKETT thought it probable that ihe' resolution had been Mr. BROUGHAM thought that 60001. was rather a large grant to the moved chiefly for the purpose of affording Hon. Members an opportunity Duchess of Kent, though he should not oppose that: but with regard to the to notice the Catholic question in its present situation : that end having other, it should be remembered that the Duke of Cumberland had already been answered, he submitted to the Hon. Mover whether it was worth 19,0001. a year, and lived abroad, where that sum was equal to 30,0001. while to push it any further. His Right Hon. Friend near him had de- in England. Why was this ? Nothing called him abroad; and yet he clared that if he thought his giving up office could promote the success of did not live among his countrymen. He had no desire to grant the Royal the measure, he should not hesitate a moment to relinquish it. For him- | Duke six thousand a-year more, until he came to show bimself in England. self, he had been placed in one situation at least in which his sincerity | Why did he not act like his brother (the Duke of York) who continued to had been tried; and certainly he felt no difficulty in making the same remain in England, though crippled with debts-which, although he was declaration.
Heir Presumptive, by the way, he did not come to ask Parliament to proMr. CANNING hoped the motion would not be pressed. He was per- vide for? What security had they, that after he received this additional fectly ready to concur with his Hon. Friend, and he said with the most grant, making an income of 25.001. a year, be would come and reside in - perfect sincerity of heart--that if he thought his own relinquishment of England, or even send the young Prince bis son amongst us? If we must
office could conduce to the settlement of the question, he would not dispose of some of our redundant cash, he for one would prefer giving it hesitate one moment to make the sacrifice. Not that when he made to those members of the Royal Family who reside amongst us, and whose this declaration he did not see that his withdrawing from the Govern- lembarrassments seem to require some such aid. It was well known that a ment would be attended with some public disadvantage ; but his view would be if such a course could decide the subject of Catholic Claims
certain illustrious member of the Royal Family was in such a state of peco—that the public good obtained outweighed that disadvantage. But his
niary difficulty as to have his carriage and horses taken in execution. opinion was, that his relinquishment of office could only serve to bring
Was this decent? These were painful subjects; but it was a duty to on public evils of the most tremendous character, as well as to throw
mention them when a grant was proposed for which he heard no one subthe prospects of the object which it was intended to serve still further
stantial argument. If such intention was to be carried into effect, he back than ever. The ground on which the bill was resisted, he had no
would say, in God's name let it be given to those who lived amongst us, hesitation 10 say, he thought untenable.
and who seemed really to need such aid.
If the argument proved any thing, it proved too much-if Catholics could not be good subjects under
Mr. Home opposed the grant to the Duke of Camberland. a Protestant Government, they could not be good subjects al all. Be
Sir I. COFFIN thought it would become Ministers to bring forward a sides, he did not like that argument of " divided allegiance," or mea
proposition to the House for the payment of the Heir Apparent's debts. suring men by a scale as it were of moral geometry. If we had but half
It was a fact that his Royal Higbness owed a sum of 12,0001. to bis tailor, the allegiance of the Catholics, why was it we had but half? Homer
one farthing of which he could not get. (Hear, hear! and a laugh). answered the question, who was a better judge of human nature than
| Mr. Monck approved of the grant to the Duchess. Euclid :-“ A man," he said, " is but half a man, unless he enjoys all
Sir C. FORBES said be should vote for both:--Mr. Peel thought it his rights." In glancing, however, at what had passed in another
would but be fair to place the Duke of Cumberland on the same footing place, he was bound to vindicate one Noble Friend of his from the
with his Royal brothers who were married. His present allowance was charges which had been thrown out against him. The Hon. Member
not adequate to support bis rank in this country.--Mr. DENMAN observed for Winchielsea seemed to think, that the speech of that Noble Lord had
that the house ought to pause on this motion. No sooner was ope grant been measured after another speech which he bad designated as a libell proposed, than another “ Guardian of the Public Purge” suggested the
-measured to fall in with it. " His Noble Friend was incapable of such I propriety of paying the debts of the Duke of York, whom he seemed to a thought. Whatever he had spoken was, let the House be sure, his
think the most popular man in the country ; and, as one item of those sincere opinion. Indeed, if the Hon. Member for Winchelsea had only debts, a gallant Admiral informed the house that the Royal Duke owed no looked to the whole contents of the speech in question, he would have
| less than 12,0001. to his tailor; so that, because of this gross extravagance, seen the most glaring discrepancies between it and the speech to which which would not be countenanced in a private individual, the country was he endeavoured to assimilate it. Who had disposed so unceremoniously, to be plundered, and asked to make good debts to he knew not what amount. yet so satisfactorily, of the idle objection of the Coronation Oath to the | An individual whose income from the country was exceedingly liberal, removal of civil disabilities, as this very Noble Lord, who was repre. had no farther claim if he allowed his expenses to go beyond it. He fully sented as imitating the tone of a speech in which the objection of that concurred in the vote to the Duchess of Kent; but when called upon to Coronation Oath formed the chief feature? That Noble Lord was enti- | vote 60001. for the education of a young Prince, whose father was receive tled to the highest gratitude of the Catholics. The Right Hon. Gent. / ing 19,0001. a year, the House ought to pause. concluded by observing, that the production of the papers called for Sir J. MARJORIBANKS gave it as his opinion that the Duke of York was would utterly falsify the Hon. Member's conclusions! (Hear, hear!) entitled to the consideration of the House, by his public services !
Sir F. Burvert did not think that the speech delivered by the noble Mr. CANNING said it was unfair to introduce subjects not at all connected person alluded to could rescue him from the fair imputation of unstates with the question before the House. The illustrious individual whose man-like conduct. It could not be denied that the speech of the Noble private affairs had been thus dragged into discussion, bad not obtruded Lord was inconsistent with the holding out hopes by persons most likely
them on the House. There were two propositions before them. As to the to be well informed as to the views of Government. That such hopes
first, it would almost be a waste of words to add any thing to what had were held out was admitted. But it was unjust that persons most indu. been already said on it; for there was only one feeling that it was a tardy ential on the subject should have kept those who looked to their opinions act of justice to the illustrious lady who was in great part its object. in ignorance with respect to them. It was unfair, it was unstatesman. (Hear, hear!). As to the vote to his Royal Higbness the
(Hear, hear!) As to the vote to his Royal Higbness the Duke of Cumlike, to have this opinion held out to the delegates and others, when it berland, be wished to have it considered what it was in fact-a grant for was well known that a contrary feeling existed in a certain quarter. the education of the yonng Prince his son. It was objected to it, that (Hear, hear! He did, however, hope, that on this great questiou the after the vote passed, the object of it might be defeated by delaying the Catholics would exercise the same prudence which had heretofore done return of the young Prince to England; but Ministers would have it in so much good to their cause. No withstanding the untoward result of their power to see that the money was applied solely for the purpose for the discussions, be did look forward with confident hope to the decision which it was voted. of next Session. (Iear, hear!)
Sir E. KNATCHBULL suggested, and Mr. GIPPS moved an amendment to Mr. S. Rice observed, that the object of his motion was answered in the effect, that the 60001. be granted for the education of the young Prince having again called the attention of the House to the state of Ireland. “ in Great Britain.” On this the House divided :-There were 64 for, He would therefore not press the question.
and 79 against accompanying the grant with such express stipulation. The question was then withdrawn.
The House afterwards divided on the original proposition :-Ayes 105Friday, May 27.
Noes 55. M LITTLETON announced that no farther proceedings would take place ! A long conversation then took place on the Judges' Salaries Bill, the in regard to the Irish Elective Franchise Bill.
discussion upon which was adjourned to Monday. Mr. Hume presented a petition from Mr. Carnall, complaining of the bardship and injustice he had suffered from Lord Charles Somerset, at the
FROM THE LONDON GAZETTES. Cape of Good Hope.-Mr. HORTON made some remarks in justification of
TUESDAY, MAY 24. the Colonial Department, but did not drop a word in favour of Lord C.
Downing-street, May 23. Somerset.-The petition was ordered to be printed.
The King has been pleased to appoint Major-General Sir James Camp DUCHESS OF KENT, DUKE OF CUMBERLAND.
bell, K.C.B., to be Governor and Commander-in-Chief of the island of The CHANCELLOR of the ExCH EQUER, after talking about “ keeping up Grenada. the Royal Dignity,' &c. &c. proposed an increase of 6,0001. per annun to The King has been pleased to appoint Major-General Sir Patrick Ross, the Dachess of Kent, for the maintenance and education of her infant Knt., to be Governor and Commander-in-Chief of the island of Antigua. daughter; and the like amount in addition to the Duke of Cumberland's income, for the support and education of his son. He said that the care
Foreign Office, May 24. fal education of the Princess inust be a matter of great interest to the The King has been graciously pleased to appoint Lord Viscount Strangcountry, on account of her proximity to the Throne ; and he added, that ford, K.B., (late bis Majesty's Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipo though the infant son of the Duke of Cumberland might not excite similar tentiary at the Sublime Ottoman Porte), to be his Majesty's Ambassador interest, in consequence of being more remote in the succession, it was Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to his Majesty the Emperor of all the
aftha Raval Family, his education should be Russias.
The King has also been graciously pleased to appoint the Right Hon. Catholics are aggrieved, because they cannot ÁLL become Lord Stratford Canning (late his Majesty's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Chancellors, Privy Councillors, and Members of Parliament." We Plenipotentiary to the United States of America), to be his Majesty's Am- should like to know what advocate of the Catholics ever made so bassadør Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the Sublime Ottoman Porte. I
stupid an assertion! The hireling likewise affects to believe, that
not more than about sixty Catholics are really disappointed or morti77 - BANKRUPTCY ENLARG ED.
fied by the rejection of the Relief Bill; that the public writers of R. Turner, Gerrard's-ball Tavern, Basing-lane, wine-merchant, from May 17 to July 6.
Ireland only assume a tone of complaint and alarm, for seditious BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. "
purposes; and that the Irish people at large are wholly indifferent to H. Phillips, Devonshire-street, Bishopsgate-street, hatter.
what is called Emancipation. If we could be sure that this writer
was sincere, we must suppose him so obtuse in his understanding and BANKRUPTS. J. Boyes, Scarborough, Yorkshire, grocer. Solicitor, Mr. Lever, Gray's.
feelings as not to know, that an exclusion of sirty-aye, or of sixind-square.
Catholics from certain civil offices, is an insult to the six millions J. Woodward, Nottingham, machine-maker. Solicitor, Mr. Yallop, professing that faith on account of which the exclusion is made. The Suffolk street, Pall-mall East.
number of additional offices which Catholics would fill, if both D. Cloones, Goodge-street, Tottenham-court-road, upholsterer. Solicitor, religions were placed upon an equality, is absurdly underrated at Mr. Roubel, Clifford's-ipo.
sixty ; there are a great number of local situations, the exclusion from J. Goodwin, Holt, Worcestershire, miller. Solicitor, Mr. Becke, Devon which is peculiarly felt by the middle classes ;- but that is of little shire-street, Queen-square.
consequence to the argument. To shut out all Catholics from places G. Dean, Bridgewater, chidaman. Solicitor, Mr. Pain, New-inn..
of power, trust, and emolument, as the law at present does, is to T. Phillips, Marchmont-street, Burton-crescent, merchant. Solicitors,
insult and injure all Catholics : whether six hundred or only sixty Messrs. Clarke, Richards, and Medcalf, Chancery-lane. W. H. Williams, Old-street, St. Luke's, cornchandler. Solicitor, Mr.
would actually obtain such places, if the exclusion did not exist, is of Tomes, Lincoln's-ion-fields.
small importance—the law has formally denounced them all as J. Hills, High-street, Mary-la-bonne, farrier. Solicitors, Messrs. Hallett
politically unfit and dangerous. At present there are very few and Henderson, Northumberland-street, Mary-la-boone.
Catholic gentlemen who can feel the exclusion personally; nearly all Saturday, May 28,
feel it alike, that is, as members of the Catholic church. It is not BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED.
their individual ambition thwarted, but their esprit de corps wounded, J. Warrick, Austin-Friars, wine merchant
their sense of right denied, and their conscientious faith insulted. J.G Young, Austin-Friars, merchaat.
How often do we hear of duels among officers in the army on account BANKRUPTS.
of aspersions on the courage or conduct of a regiment; yet the synnJ. Fox, Birmingham, plater. Solicitors, Messrs. Clarke and Co. pathy is not half so strong between the members of a military corps, Chancery-lane.
as between the individuals composing a degraded sect: a regiment S. Griffiths, Liverpool, tea dealer. Solicitors, Messrs. Magham and may have behaved very ill, and yet the very officers who risk their Fothergill, Great James-street, Bedford-row.
lives in defence of its reputation may have performed their duty; but W. Swift, jun. and T. Swift, Ashted, Warwick, steel toy makers. Soli. when the law declares that no Catholic shall be a Member of Parliacitors, Messrs. Alexander and Son, Carey-street.
ment or a judge, the insult and injury are felt, not only by the few W. Phillips, Chepstow, Monmouth, coal merchant. Solicitors, Messrs. Poole and Co. Gray's lon.
who would have been Members of Parliament and Judges (for nobody
can tell who those are) but by the Catholics at large, and with few T. Johnston, jun. Liverpool, taitor. Solicitors, Messrs. Willis and Co. Tokephouse-yard
exceptions_equally by all. Mr. O'CONNELL admirably exemplified W. Cowper, Millbrook, Southampton, scrivener. Solicitor, Mr. Minchin,
this feeling in his speech at the late Catholic meeting: he said, "he Gray's Ino.
wanted no office, but only the capability of holding offices-he cared J. Vickery, Bristol, brusb manufacturer. Solicitors, Messrs. Wiggles
nothing about office or Government employment, but he did not worth and Ridsdale, Gray's Ino.
choose to be branded with the stigma of ineligibility to that which was
the general right of all." Tue FUNDS -The settling day has gone over, to the adjustment of very
By the way, the Courier has exhibited the most edifying tergiverlarge differences, and the delivery of an immense quantity of stock, with.sation this session. When the Relief Bill was introduced into tbe out the occurrence of any open default of magajtude; but the depression | Commons, and there appeared reason, f
Commons, and there appeared reason, from various symptoms, to continues, and the tendency, it will be seen, is still downward. The suppose that Ministers really meant to carry it, the Treasury tool Foreign Stocks also participate in this declension, and the Share Market declared himself a convert to the expediency of the measure: when more iban all the rest. The absence of all political rumour renders the however the Duke of YORK made his famous speech, he began to proximate cause of this decisive fall very difficult to ascertain ; but it is trim; and when the Lords threw out the Bill, he applauded to the now said, an idea prevails that a great part of the French loan will be very echo! The New Times (to give the devil his due) has been contracted for in England, which notion may possibly have some effect
consistent and sincere : the Doctor combats fairly the pretext of the at the present moment. Latest quotations : Consols, 89%
intolerants as to the danger of Catholic office-holders, and the nonsense New 4 per Cents, 1041 Reduced, 8874 Consols for Account, 893 ?
about “ divided allegiance.” He unanswerably asks—" Is the alle3 per Cents. 96%
giance of the whole kingdom of Scotland a dream? Undoubtedly ' . PRICES OF FOREIGN STOCKS YESTERDAY.
not; yet it is notorious, that the Members of the Scottish church · Austrian Bonds, 96
Mexican Bonds, 74 34 4 Brazilian Bonds, 811
expressly deny all spiritual supremacy in the head of the civil Ditto Scrip, 1825, 4 37 44 4 dis. Ditto Scrip, 1825, 14 24 dis. Peruvian Scrip, 45 dis.
Government. Or was the civil allegiance of the ancient Christians to - Colombian Bonds, 1824, 871 61
Portuguese Bonds, 90%
the Heathen Emperors a dream? Undoubtedly not; for they are Danish Scrip, 1825, 34 44 dis
Russian Bonds, 1922, 94
recorded in history as models of fidelity and subordination.”
The Catholic meeting on the 21st instant, at Freemasons' Hall, A correct Report of the Proceedings at the UNITARIAN MEETING, in our next.
was interesting as indicative of the genuine feelings of the educated Catholics at this crisis. The Duke of Norfolk, Lord CLIFFORD, &c.
repelled with indignant contempt the absurd pretence so hacked in THE EXAMINER.
the House of Peers, that the Catholics paid only a “ divided alle giance.” They referred triumphantly to all the considerable conti
neulal States, whether Catholic or Protestant, where no such chirnera LONDON, MAY 29, 1825.
was ever dreamt of now-a-days. Mr. O'CONNELL delivered one of There is no foreign news worthy of remark this week, the intelli
his most eloquent and powerful speeches, from which, without . gence from Greece being too vague and contradictory to merit
attempting anything like an outline of his argument on this exhausted investigation. It is now said that the officiating Congress at Milan
subject, we shall pick out a few passages. Alluding to the CHANis to concert measures for a more popular Austrian Government for
CELLOR in his character of Keeper of the King's Conscience, he very the North of Italy. We shall believe it when we see it. From
dexterously and wittily observed, France, we hear of little but of the Coronation-and, Common
The King has three consciences; the English conscience, the keeper Sepse preserve us--the Ampoule, or Holy Oil. It is clear, however,
of which is very liberal on the English side; an Irish conscience, the under all this' nonsense, that CHARLES X. is losing popularity in
keeper of which he hoped would soon be a very liberal gentleman; and France, and that no Monarch supporting the designing fanatics who
a Hanoverian conscience, which is all liberality and justice, and in which
there is no contradiction." now possess so much influence will ever be esteemed by the French He next noticed the ignorant jargon of Lord ELDON about our's people.
being a “ Protestant Constitution," and enumerated the great
institutions which our Catholic ancestors bad obtained-as the Trial The Courier' affects to laugh at the assertion that six millions of by Jury, popular representation, Magna Charta, &c. Dot forgettin'