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members -- to have an opportunity afforded The PRESIDENT said, he was not aware them of knowing how the officers of the Con- } of any rule of the House prescribing that all vention were to be elected.

voting should be by ballot. The PRESIDENT remarked, that there Mr. PETTIT moved that the Convention ad. were no special rules as yet, it was true, for the journ until 9 o'clock to-morrow morning. government of this body ; but he understood it Mr. ROBINSON suggested whether it would to be an universal parliamentary rule, that all not be better for the gentleman to make his questions of adjournment should be decided motion to adjourn for a longer time-taking without debate.

time enough for himself and his friends to reMr. FOSTER said, he was obliged to dis- tire and make a Constitution ready for submissent from the decision of the Chair, for the rea- sion to the Convention, so that the body would son that this body, being without rules, had as have nothing to do but to adopt it and go home. yet fixed no definite time to which the adjourn. Mr. PETTIT, (in his seat:) Oh yes, we ment should extend. He appealed from the { will provide a Constitution in time. decision of the Chair.

The yeas and nays were demanded on the Mr. BORDEN suggested to the gentleman motion to adjourn, and being taken by the from Tippecanoe to modify his motion, so as to Secretary of State, were--yeas 37, nays 106 ; take a recess until 3 o'clock P. M.

so the Convention refused to adjourn. Mr. PETTIT declined to modify his motion. Upon the suggestion of Mr. SPANN, the

The question being taken on the appeal, the county of Vanderburgh was called, and Mr. decision of the Chair was sustained.

JAS. E. BLYTHE, delegate for said county, And the question recurring upon the adoption came forward, took the constitutional oath, of the amendment proposed by Mr. Kilgore, it and the oath of office, the same being adminiswas agreed to.

tered by Judge BLACKFORD, and took his The motion, as amended, being also agreed seat.

Mr. PETTIT proposed to amend the resoThe Convention took a recess until 2 o'clock } lution of Mr. KILGORE by inserting after the P. M.

word “duties” the words “and Sergeant-atArms and Door-keeper."

Mr. KILGORE said, he would suggest to Mr. BORDEN offered the following resolu- his experienced friend from Tippecanoe the tion:

propriety of keeping the election of these ofResolved, That a committee be appointed by dates for each place.

ficers separate, for there were several candithe Chair to prepare and report rules of order

Mr. KELSO said, he preferred the old for the government of the proceedings of this plan of electing one officer at a time. He Convention ; and until said committee report, would prefer that they should first elect the and it be otherwise ordered, the rules of the Principal Secretary, a gentleman whom the House of Representatives of this State be adopt- Convention might look to as the head of that ed by this Convention, as regulations to govern department, and after the election of the prinits proceedings and deliberations, so far as the cipal officers in the three departments named, same are applicable.

he would have them to employ as many assistThe resolution was adopted.

ants as their business respectively might reThe following delegates appeared, produced quire. Nothing had ever yet gone wrong under their credentials, and, being duly sworn by the } this mode of proceeding. He objected to the Hon. HORACE P. BIDDLE, took their seats, resolution as entirely too broad, and the amendto-wit:

ment, he said, would only make it worse. JAMES RITCHEY, of Johnson,

The question being taken on the amendment, SCHUILER COLFAX, of St. Joseph, and

it was rejected. Alvis P. Hovey, of Posey.

Mr. NAVE proposed to amend the resolution Mr. KILGORE offered the following resolu- | by striking out the word “three," and inserting

the word "two." tion:

(Several voices—"No, no."] Resolved, That we now proceed to elect, viva Mr. BORDEN demanded a division of the voce, three Secretaries for this body, and that question; but subsequently withdrew the when elected, the President assign to each their demand. respective duties.

Mr. SPANN said, a resolution had just been Mr. KELSO said, that to his mind this passed, providing that we should proceed under seemed to be a very strange mode of proceed- } the rules of the House of Representatives, of ing-at one moment to adopt the rules of the the last General Assembly, and he recollected House of Representatives, which require that no precedent for bundling up two, three, four, all voting shall be by ballot, and in the next or five officers at a time in a single election.moment to adopt a resolution authorizing a viva | He trusted that the Convention would not voce vote.

agree to such a course now, but that they would Hel

proceed to elect one officer at a time.

Mr. NAVE said, that in order to perfect the thought the rules ought to apply, with special original resolution more readily, he would withstrictness, to everything connected with the draw his amendment, so as to give place to the organization of the Convention.

amendment of the gentleman from Floyd, (Mr, The PRESIDENT said, he knew of no rule Kent,) still expressing his preference, however. that would prohibit the election of more than for a viva voce vote. one officer at a time.

Mr. FOSTER proposed to amend the amendMr. NAVE modified his amendment, propos- ment of the gentleman from Floyd, by adding ing to insert instead of the word “two," the the words “two Assistant Secretaries, one Doorword “one."

keeper, and one Sergeant-at-Arms by a viva Mr. KILGORE suggested that such an

voce vote, in the order in which they are named.”

The amendment to the amendment was reamendment would be incongruous with the latter part of the resolution.

jected. Mr. READ, of Clark, moved that the Con

Mr. KILGORE proposed to amend the vention adjourn.

amendment by adding the words : "by a viva voce

vote ;" which was also rejected. Mr. KILGORE and Mr. KELSO demanded

The question being taken on Mr. KENT'S the yeas and nays upon the motion to adjourn. amendment, it was agreed to, and the resolu

Mr. BORDEN desired to know to what hour tion, as amended, was adopted. the Convention would adjourn under this

Mr. KILGORE moved the adoption of the motion.

following: The PRESIDENT : The rules adopted by the resolution of this afternoon, fix the hour at and other officers of the Convention, the vote

Resolved, That in the election of Secretary, 9 o'clock to-morrow morning.

be taken viva voce. The yeas and nays were then taken by the Secretary of State, who reported-yeas 37, nays that kind had been already voted down by the

Mr. KELSO remarked that a proposition of 109; so the Convention again refused to adjourn.

Convention. Mr. RITCHIE rose and, stated that he had come up to the Convention to-day at a great this to be exactly the same proposition. It

Mr. KILGORE said, he did not understand sacrifice of feeling, on account of the indisposition of his son, and this would have to be his contemplated the manner of the election of apology for returning home to-morrow.

officers besides the Secretary.

He came up merely to assist in the organization ; Mr. EDMONSTON moved to lay the resoand he wished to see the Convention organized lution and amendments upon the table ; but, to-night if possible. He hoped they would before the motion was entertained by the proceed with the election of the officers of the ChairConvention, either by adopting the mode pro- Mr. PETTIT interposed another motion for posed by the gentleman from Hendricks, (Mr. adjournment; and the yeas and nays being deNave,) or by ballot. He rather thought, from manded upon this motion by Mr. KILGORE the votes of some gentlemen, that they desired and Mr. ROBINSON, they were taken by to adjourn in order that some action or some the Secretary of State, who reported — yeas understanding might be had upon this subject, 53, nays 91. out of the Hall. He was in the habit of sub- So the Convention again refused to adjourn. scribing to the doctrine of caucuses, and if Mr. READ, of Clark, enquired: Whether, unthe Democratic party thought proper to caucus, der the resolution just passed, the Convention he should be pleased to vote to adjourn for that

was not compelled to go into the election of purpose ; but if not, he should prefer to pro- Principal Secretary immediately, unless that ceed to the proper business of the Convention. order was arrested by an adjournment. He saw the names of a number of gentlemen placed before the body as candidates for the

The PRESIDENT replied affirmatively ; but different places to be filled, and he believed that he added : That he understood that it was still almost any one of the candidates for the Sec- competent for the body to prescribe the manretaryship, would make a good Secretary. He ner of voting, and, therefore, he had entertainwas not acquainted with any of them, and he ed the motion of the gentleman from Dela

ware. should neither regret or rejoice much at the defeat or success of any. He believed that in

Mr. KILGORE said, that in order to accomomost cases an election might be made on the date the views of gentlemen he would withfirst ballot.

draw his proposition. Mr. KENT proposed to amend the original The Convention then proceeded to the elecresolution by striking out all after the word tion of a Principal Secretary ; Mr. BIDDLE "resolved," and inserting the following: “That and Mr. KENT acting as tellers. the Convention proceed now to the election of The votes taken, the Secretary of State rea Principal Secretary."

ported the result of three ballotings as follows:


1st Ballot. 2d Ballot. 3d Ballot. | the consideration of the subject and decide upW. H. English, 47 64 76 on it at the present time as well as at any othSolon Turman, 27 41 66 er. He did not think that two gentlemen could Geo. L Sites,


perform all the labor which would be required Jas. S. Buckles, 14

at the Secretary's desk. Supposing the ConFrancis King,


vention were to approve of the amendment And. I. Boone,


with an eye to economy, he apprehended it Benį. F. Myers, 4

would be that sort of economy which might be John W. Spencer, 6


described as “penny wise and pound foolish.”. Scattering,


3 He admitted that it might be shown that but

two Secretaries had been employed at the first, * The names of Jas. S. Buckles, And. J. Boone, in the service of some Conventions; but their and Geo. L. Sites, were severally withdrawn upon the numbers in most cases had subsequently been determication of the 2d balloting.

increased to five or six by the appointment of The whole number of votes cast upon each assistants; and this larger number of Secreballot was 145—73 ballots being necessary to taries had been found necessary in Conventions constitute an election, and it appearing, upon composed of a much smaller number of Dele. the determination of the third ballot that Wm. gates than was here assembled.

Here were H. English, of the county of Scott, had receiv- 150 Delegates, and he submitted whether any ed a najority of all the votes cast, he was de- gentleman could seriously suppose that two or clared to be duly elected to the office of Prin- three men would be sufficient to perform all cipal Secretary of the Convention, to serve in the clerical service that would be required. If that capacity during the existence of the body. gentlemen would turn to the 14th section of

And, therefore, Mr. English being called, the act under which the Convention was organcane forward and, being duly sworn by the ized they would find the following provision: Hon. ISAAC BLACKFORD, the Senior Judge "That the proceedings of said Convention shall of the Supreme Court of Indiana, proceeded to be deposited by the President and Secretary the discharge of the duties of his office. thereof, in the office of the Secretary of State,

Mr. KILGORE moved to refer the election who shall file the same.” Here, it seemed to of the residue of the officers of the Convention be contemplated that the proceedings of the to a select committee ; pending which motion, Convention should be entered in a book, as a at 40 minutes past 4 o'clock, on motion of Mr. perpetual memorial of the action of the body. WOLF, the Convention adjourned.

He apprehended that it would be necessary to employ one clerk to make this permanent manuscript record, and three others to discharge

the duties at the desk. The Ohio Convention TUESDAY MORNING, Oct. 8th., 1850.

required this to be done, and so did the ConvenMr. EDMUND D. TAYLOR, a delegate tion which formed the Constitution of the Unifrom the county of Laporte, appeared, produced ted States, over which George Washington his credentials and, being duly sworn by the presided. It might be that two persons could Hon. ISAAC BLACKFORD, took his seat. do all the clerical labor here, but he did not

Mr. BORDEN introduced the following res- think it possible. He had before him the jourolution:

nal of the Convention which formed the preRenated, That Robert M. Evans, Herman G. sent Constitution of Indiana; and he found Barkwell, and George L. Sites, be, and they there, that Wm. Hendricks was elected Secre. are hereby appointed Assistant Secretaries to tary, and that on the next day the Convention this Convention.

elected two Assistant Secretaries, Robert N. Mr. ROBINSON moved the following as a New, and Jas. A. Turnstall, and that aftersubstitute:

wards they elected three additional Assistants, Resolved, That in the opinion of this Con- making six Secretaries in all, to serve in a Convention one Principal and one Assistant Secre- vention composed of 42 members. In view of tary will be amply sufficient to discharge all this fact if gentlemen could be satisfied that the duties growing out of the action of the two Secretaries could do the business, let them Convention; and that the Convention now pro- vote for the amendment. ceed to the election of one Assistant Secretary, Mr. ROBINSON said, that he had offered his and no more, who, together with the Principal / amendment because he believed it to be right Secretary elect, shall discharge the duties of / and proper that such a provision should be Secretaries to this Convention.

adopted. He thought himself sufficiently exThe question being upon the amendment of perienced in legislation to be able to decide corfered by the gentleman from Decatur, (Mr. rectly in regard to this matter. He affirmed Robinson,)

that there would not be one half the labor deMr.BORDEN remarked, that as another pro- volving upon the Secretaries of this body that position had been submitted upon this subject, was required to be performed by the clerks of he supposed the Convention could proceed to any legislative body sitting the same length of

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time. He thought the experience of the Chair | Haddon, Holliday, Hamilton, Harbolt, Hardin, would amply confirm and corroborate this as- Helmer, Hendricks, Holman, Hovey, Howe, sertion. Besides it was manifest that the duty | Huff, Johnson, Kelso, Kent, Kendall of Warof the Assistant Secretaries was nearly all in- ren, Kindly, Lockhart, March, Mathers, May, cluded simply in copying the journal of the McClelland, McFarland, McLean, Miller of ClinConvention. It might be that the journal of} ton, Miller of Gibson, Miller of Fulton, Millithis body would be swelled to some considera- gan, Millroy, Mooney, Moore, Morrison of Mable extent; but the final result of the labors of į rion, Mowrer, Murray, Nave, Newman, Niles, the Convention, when it should all come to be Nofsinger, Owen, Pepper of Ohio, Pettit, Raricondensed, arranged and printed, would hardly den, Read of Clark, Read of Monroe, Ristine, compose so large a volume of matter, as one of Schoonover, Shannon, Sherrod, Shoup, Sims, our ordinary corporation bills. The clerical | Smiley, Snook, Smith of Ripley, Smith of Scott, labor of the Convention would consist chiefly Spann, Tague, Tannehill

, Taylor, Trembly, in preparing and copying the journal, and in Vanbenthusen, Wallace, Wheeler, Wiley, reading; whilst every year, in the Legislature, Wolf, Work, Wunderlich, Yocum, Zenor, and there were prepared and carried through all the Mr. President—100. forms of reading, engrossment, and enrollment, Nays—Allen, Badger, Ballingall, Barbour, some twenty-five or thirty of those large cor- Beard, Biddle, Blythe, Brookbank, Bryant, Butporation bills; and this was the reason why so ler, Clarke of Hamilton, Clark of Tippecanoe, many Assistants were required to be appointed. Coats, Cole, Colfax, Crawford, Davis of MadiHe considered this a correct view of the case, son, Dunn of Jefferson, Farrow, Fisher, Frisbie, for he spoke more from experience than any. Gregg, Hawkins, Helm, Hitt, Hogan, Logan, thing else. Every State in which a Conven- Maguire, Mather, Morgan, Morrison of Washtion had been held, save the State of New | ington, Pepper of Crawford, Prather, RobinYork, had taken precisely this course. A ju- son, Steele, Stevenson, Terry, Thomas, Thorndicious economy could be practised here as well ton, Todd, Walpole, and Watts-42. as in any other place.

So the amendments were laid upon the table. Mr. BORDEN observed that if in the State Mr. STEVENSON then moved to amend Conventions which had been held in other the resolution by substituting the following: States but two Secretaries had been elected, Resolved, That the Convention now proceed he would confess that he had been very much to elect two assistant Secretaries. misinformed. But he was inclined to think The original resolution, he said, contemplathat the gentleman from Decatur was mistak- ted a different mode from that practiced by deen. The New York Convention elected two } liberative bodies generally in the appointment Secretaries and in a few days authorized the ap- of their officers. It contemplated the appointpointment of one more. The Ohio Convention ment of three at one time. If it proposed apelected Mr. Gill principal Secretary, and Mr. {pointing only one individual, a proper selection CARROLTOn his assistant; and, in one or two might probably be made, but when it proposed days afterwards, authorized the Principal Sec- to appoint three at one time, it would be but retary to appoint another assistant, and then } natural that men would be influenced in giving another..

their votes in favor of one or more of the parMr. STEELE moved to amend the amend- {ties, by a desire to secure the election of their ment by adding the words "the additionl Sec- particular favorite and thus be lead to vote, perretaries if required.”

haps, for the others without regard to the qualiMr. MILLER, of Gibson, moved to lay both fication or fitness for office of such others. the amendments on the table.

Thus it was that in legislative bodies someMr. PETTIT said, that he supposed if this times an obnoxious measure was attached to a motion prevailed, it would carry the original good one, in order to secure the passage of the resolution also to the table.

former, which would not have passed if it had The PRESIDENT stated that such would been left to depend upon its own merits. The not be the case under the rules of the Indiana principle was decidedly wrong. It was altoLegislature.

gether a new one, and one which, he considerThe yeas and nays were demanded upon this ed, it would be dangerous to adopt. question by Messrs. PRATHER and ROBIN- The business of the Convention differed maSON, and being taken, the Clerk reported—terially from that of a State Legislature; there yeas 100, nays 42, as follows:

would be no memorials, petitions, or remonstran-. Yeas--Messrs. Alexander, Anthony, Bascom, ces, to be acted upon. They were called toBeach, Beeson, Berry, Bicknell, Borden, Bourne, gether for the purpose of forming a ConstituBowers, Bracken, Bright, Carr of Jackson, Car- tion, an instrument occupying some ten or filter, Chandler, Chapman, Chenowith, Cookerly, teen pages of the Statute Book. There could Davis of Parke, Davis of Parke and Vermil- not then, he thought, be anything like the lion, Dick, Dobson,

Dunn of Perry, &c., Duzan, same amount of business to be done by the SecEdmonston, Foley, Foster, Garvin, Gibson, Goo- retary of the Convention, as by the Clerk tee, Graham of Miami, Graham of Warrick, of the General Assembly.


One hundred and fifty members would per- { no objection; but he thought the best way was om no more business than forty members would } to make the appointments by resolution. períorm. One resolution only could be acted Mr. NAVE was in favor of the Convention upon at a time, no matter what the number of electing at once a sufficient number of officers, members might be. In regard to the consider- } without making it necessary, hereafter, for the ation of economy, he had only to say that he ; Secretaries themselves to appoint assistants ;was not for going to extremes either way, ei- which was known to be the case in our State ther in extravagance or parsimoniousness. Legislature.

He was of the opinion that two Secretaries Mr. CLARK of T. said he rose to apologize to were quite sufficient. He was not disposed to the gentleman from Allen, (Mr. Borden) for mainterfere, however, with any arrangement that | king the motion to reduce the number of Secrehad been made out of doors; and he was inclined taries. He was willing to concur in the edict to go for democratic appointees. He was will of those who had decided on three Secretaries ing that they should all be democrats; but he out of this body; but not having heard the arguwas opposed to adopting a new principle in refer- }ments that had been advanced, he had to disence to their elections. He trusted that the charge a duty to his constituents by fixing on a mandment would be adopted.

number he thought sufficient. He thought a Mr. DOBSON said, that in his opinion the vote should be taken here on the officers, alamendment did not go far enough. He moved though the final decision might have been made an amendment to the effect that these officers } elsewhere. should be elected and not appointed.

Mr. EDMONSTON favored the election of Mr. BASCOM moved to lay the amendment { three Secretaries, as the number best calculaon the table.

ted to advance the business of the Convention. Mr. KELSO hoped this matter might be com- Mr. MILLER of Gibson, moved the previous promised in such a way that the amendment by question; which was not sustained. the gentleman from Owen might be adopted. - The question was then taken on the motion He was willing to vote for that. He hoped his to fill the blank with three, and it was agreed friend would withdraw the motion to lay on the table.

The question being on the adoption of the Mr. STEVENSON said, he would accept resolution. the amendment leaving the number blank. Mr. WATTS moved the following amend

Mr. BASCOM withdrew the motion to lay { ment, "that Samuel J. Johnson of Dearborn on the table.

County be declared Door-keeper of this ConMr. KELSO then moved to fill the blank with vention.” "three."

The question being taken the amendment M. CLARK of Tippecanoe, moved to fill the was not agreed to. blank with "two."

Mr. COCKERLY moved to amend the resThe PRESIDENT. The question will be olution by inserting the words “by viva voce first on the largest number.

vote." Mr. FOSTER said he would remark to his De- The amendment was adopted. mocratic friends that this would not be quite in The question was then taken on the amendaccordance with the pledges they had given to ment, as amended, and it was decided in the their constituents. A great many pledges of affirmative: economy had been given during the canvass. The question on the original resolution was He thought they ought to manifest their faith} then taken and decided in the affirmative. by their practice. He for one felt a disposition The resolution as amended was adopted; to manifest his faith by his works. But that { whereupon was not all. He believed that two Secretaries

The roll was called and the following genwere amply sufficient. He had had some expe- tlemen voted rience in matters of this kind, and he believed that the clerical duties of the Convention would

FOR ROBERT M. Evans: not be near as onerous as those of the Legisla- Messrs. Alexander, Allen, Anthony, Badger, ture. There was only the keeping of the jour- Ballingall, Barbour, Bascom, Beach, Beard, Beenato be done; there was no enrolling of bills, son, Berry, Bicknell, Biddle, Blythe, Borden, and he would venture to say that if they per- Bourne, Bowers, Bracken, Bright, Brookbank, formed their work properly, the Constitution | Bryant, Butler, Carr of Jackson, Carter, Chanwould not be equal in length to some of the dler, Chapman, Chenowith, Clark of Tippecaenrolled bills of the Legislature. He should noe, Coats, Cole, Colfax, Cookerly, Crawford, vote for the amendment.

Davis of Madison, Davis of Parke, Davis of Mr. BORDEN opposed the amendment. He Parke and Vermillion, Dick, Dobson, Dunn of could see no necessity for going into the elec- of Perry, Dunn of Jefferson, Duzan, Edmontion by ballot unless the object was to defeat ston, Farrow, Fisher, Foley, Foster, Frisbie, those gentlemen who had been nominated. If | Garvin, Gibson, Gootee, Graham of Miami, Grathe electie were to be by a viva voce vote he had | ham of Warrick, Haddon, Holliday, Hamilton,

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