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Mownar, Drce M BER 3, 1827. THE hour of twelve having arrived, the Honorable JOHN C. CALHOUN, Vice President of the United States, took the Chair. The roll of Senators having been called over by Mr. Low air, the Secretary, it appeared that every member was in attendance, except Mr. Wrester, of Massachusetts, and Mr. Thomas, of Illinois. The oath of office was then administered to such members as, having been elected since the last session, now take their seats for six years from the present time. On motion of Mr. MACON, the Secretary was ordered to wait upon the House of Representatives, and inform them that a quorum of the Senate was present, and ready to proceed to business. He returned, and reported that the House had not yet elected their speaker. IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT. Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, then rose to give notice that, on Wednesday next, he should ask leave to introduce a bill “to abolish Imprisonment for Debt.” Mr. J. accompanied this notice with a few remarks, stating his desire that this subject might receive the early attention of the Senate, so that its fate might, without farther delay, be made known to the nation. He considered it his duty to press the subject at the present session, and should have done so at the last, but he had forborne, in consi. deration of its being the short session of Congress, and a crowd of other business demanding the attention of the Senate. A message was then received from the House of RePresentatives by their Clerk, announcing that a quorum of that House had assembled ; that As on Ew STEvensox, of Virginia, had been elected their Speaker, and that they were ready to proceed to business. Soon after, a second message informed the Senate that the House had passed a joint resolution, that a Commit. tet be appointed by each House, to wait on the President of the United States, and inform him that they were ready to receive any communication he might have to make. The resolution was concurred in, and Messrs. Macox, and Srith, of Maryland, were appointed a Committee on the part of the Senate.

TUEspar, DEcEMBER 4, 1827.

Mr. MACON, from the Joint Committee of both Houses, *Pointed to wait upon the President of the United States, *Ported that they had done so, and had received for an*er that the President would make a communication, in *oting, to both Houses, at twelve o'clock this day. Vol. IV.-1

The Message, (which will be found in the Appendix,) was shortly after received from the PREsiprst of the United States, by Mr. John Adams, his Private Secretary: and, on motion of Mr. BELL, it was ordered that three thousand copies of the Message, and one thousand five hundred copies of the documents accompanying it, be printed for the use of the Senate. On motion of Mr. EATON, the hour to which the Senate shall stand adjourned, was fixed at 12 o'clock, until further ordered. PRINTER TO THE SENATE. Mr. EATON, after some prefatory remarks in relation to the embarrassing situation of the Secretary of the Senate, who was at a loss to know who was to be considered as the Senate Printer, offered the following Preamble and Resolution : In pursuance of a joint resolution of the Senate and House of Representatives, passed in 1819, regulating the subject of printing for the two Houses, respectively, an election having been had by the Senate during the last session, for a printer to the Senate, and Duff Green hav. ing, according to the provisions of the said Resolution, received the greatest number of votes: Therefore, Resolved, That, in the opinion of the Senate, the said Duff Green is duly elected printer to the Senate. After a debate of some animation, in which Messrs. EATON, HAYNE, BENTON, BERRIEN, and WOODBURY, advocated, and Messrs. MACON, HARRISON, CHAMBERS, and ROBBINS, opposed the Resolution, (ineffectual attempts having been made to lay it on the table and to postpone its consideration until to-morrow,) it was carried by Yeas and Nays, as follows: YEAS–Messrs. Barnard, Barton, Benton, Berrien, Branch, Chandler, Dickerson, Eaton, Ellis, Hayne, Johnson of Kentucky, Kane, King, McKinley, McLane, Ridgeley, Rowan, Sanford, Smith of Maryland, Smith of South Carolina, Tazewell, Tyler, White, Williams, Woodbury —25

NAYS–Messrs. Bateman, Bell, Bouligny, Chambers, Chase, Foot, Harrison, Hendricks, Johnston of Louisiana, Knight, Macon, Marks, Noble, Parris, Robbins, Ruggles, Seymour, Silsbee, Willey—19.

WEDNEspar, DEcEMBER 5, 1827. Mr. Johnson, of Kentucky, agreeably to leave, in" troduced a bill to abolish imprisonment for debt; which was read the first time, and passed to a second reading.

SENATE.] Duty on Imported Salt.—Western Arsenal. [Dec. 6—13, 1827.

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bama, for the incorporation of the Cahawba Navigation Company; which was read the first time. The Senate then proceeded to the election of its officers for the present Congress, when the following individuals were declared to be elected, and took the oaths of their respective offices : WALTEn Lownie, Secretary. Mouxtuoy Bay Ly, Sergeant-at-Arms and Doorkeeper. HENRY TIMs, Assistant Doorkeeper. This being the day appointed for the election of the Standing Committees, the Senate proceeded to ballot for the Chairman and members of each in rotation, and electcd eight Committees.

Tuesday, DEcEMBER 11, 1827. Mr. EATON remarked, that, on inquiry of the Secre. tary, he had found that no rule existed as to the number of copies required by the Senate of such documents as were ordered to be printed. He therefore offered the following resolution : Resolved, That, unless when otherwise ordered, the usual number of copies of any document ordered by the Senate to be printed, shall be 687, except bills and amendments, the number of which shall not exceed four hundred, to be distributed as heretofore. The Senate then proceeded to ballot for the remainder of the Standing Committees, and made the appointments required. ' WEDx Espar, DEcEmin ER 12, 1827. DUTY ON IMPORTED SALT.

Mr. HARRISON introduced a bill repealing, in part, the duty on imported salt, which he prefaced by a few remarks. He said that a similar measure having been before the Senate last year, upon which his conduct had been somewhat misunderstood, he wished to explain his motives in now offering this bill. It would be recollected that he had given his feeble efforts, last year, to sustain the bill, which underwent a full discussion. He had then supported it more from his convictions that the measure was calculated to be generally beneficial to the country, than from any knowledge that it was peculiarly desirable to his own State, although he believed Ohio would share in the benefit. The reason of his bringing forward this bill, and aiding it with his voice, was, that he was now perfectly convinced that it was as loudly called for in his own State as in any other section of the country. Not long since, there was a rise in the price of salt which had been felt severely in Ohio. This advance was produced by a combination among the capitalists engaged in the domestic manufacture, by which the article was brought up to 50 cents. The inhabitants of Ohio were, in fact, at the mercy of a few capitalists, who, at certain seasons,

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were able to raise the prices by a combination, whereby a heavy tax was put upon the People, and thousands of dollars realized by these speculators. It had been formerly argued, that the reduction of the duty on imported salt would injure the sale of the domestic article. This he did not think could, in any respect, be the case. The bill which he now proposed was the same as that offered last year, and contemplated a reduction, at the expiration of one year, of the present duty, from 20 to 15 cents, and the next year to 10 cents. So far as the result would affect his own State, it would be beneficial ; because the salted provisions which were put down with imported salt would bear a competition with those of any country : and, therefore, for the prosperity of that branch of trade, it was requisite to obtain the imported article. It now came up the Ohio in steamboats, and was procured, although at a high rate. To lower the duty would not injure the manufacture, while it would protect the People from those combinations by which capitalists were able to raise the prices to an exorbitant height. The bill was then read thc first time. Various portions of the message communicated by the President of the United States at the commencement of the session, were referred to their respective committees.

Thursdar, December 13, 1827.


Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, submitted the following resolution:

Resolved, That the Secretary of War, under the control of the President of the United States, be authorized and requested to instruct one or more officers of the Corps of Engineers to examine the Horse Shoe Bend, on Licking river, in the State of Kentucky, and report the practicability of establishing an armory of the United States at that place, similar to the one at Harper's Ferry or Springfield.

Mr. JOHNSON remarked, in relation to the resolution which he now offered, that he had, for fifteen years, from time to time, submitted propositions of a similar nature to Congress ; and he believed no member had ever opposed ‘the proposition, either on the score of economy or propriety, and yet it seemed as far from being obtained now as when it was at first introduced into Congress. A bill was proposed by him in Congress some years since, in which the President was authorized to survey and locate an armory on the Western waters, but the jealousy of the members of this and the other House, and the difference of opinion as to which State it should to be located in, had left the subject, up to this time, entirely afloat. It was true that he should prefer its location in the State of Kentucky. But it was not his intention to discuss that question now. If it could not be established in Kentucky, he was desirous that it should be elsewhere. In the surveys | that had been made, the Licking Summit had been overlooked. This point was situated in the district which he formerly represented, and on that ground he was the | more anxious that it should be examined and its advantages decided upon. His resolution, therefore, went to | authorize the survey. And, in advancing this wish, he was convinced that—apart from his wish to serve a People, who, of all others, had honored him with their confidence—he was advocating a plan from which public benefit and an economy of the country’s resources was to result. All he wished, was, to have it settled whether or not the Licking Summit was the most eligible situation for an armory. If it should prove to be otherwise, as about thirty places had already been named, he did not doubt an advantageous site would be found. This resolution, however, he hoped, in the mean time, would be allowed to stand on its own bottom.

Dr. 14, 1827.]


Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, presented the petition of Robert Hall, a subject of Great Britain, praying for further indemnification for the destruction of the ship Union; which was read, and, on the question, Whether it should be referred to the Committee on Claims— Mr. EATON said, that he was opposed to the reference of a petition of this description, on the ground that the question involved in it, could be settled otherwise; and that Congress was assembled to transact the business of the citizens of this country, and not that of foreigners. If the Secretary of State could not settle the question, he did not see how Congress could do it, consistently with the principles by which it was generally governed. He therefore hoped the reference would not be made. Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, remarked, that this was a case out of the scope of the general rule to which the gentleman from Tennessee alluded. The petition and papers had been received and referred by the other House. The vessel mentioned in the petition had been seized, and the cargo forfeited, on the day after the peace. And in awarding the indemnification at a former period, instead of obtaining the invoice of the cargo taken in at Sumatra, after leaving Calcutta, the invoice of the cargo taken in at Calcutta had been resorted to. The consequence was, that an indemnification was awarded to the petitioner for less in value than the loss which he really sustained. Congress was now asked to rectify this injury, growing entirely out of a mistake, and he hoped no obstruction would be thrown in the way of such an object. Mr. EATON said, there was, of course, nothing personal in his remarks—he only alluded to the subject, as related to the policy which ought to govern Congress in all such applications. He would ask the gentleman from Maryland, whether our citizens, going to France, and applying for any redress of wrongs, would be allowed to approach the Legislature of the country Would our citizens be permitted to petition the French Chamber for relress for any of the numerous spoliations made upon our commerce Every one knew that they would not. Or, would they be allowed to present their petitions to the British Parliament It was well known, that the proper channel for such applications was through the Secretary of State. In this case, a foreigner comes for. ward and asks Congress to take his case into consideration. If it was considered ; if Congress did not in this instance show that such applications were not to be looked upon as regular or proper, the consequence would be, that much of their time would be taken up, to what extent could not be known, in the adjustment of the affairs of foreigners, while the concerns of our own citizens would be neglected. Let this business be done as it ought to be. Letit go to the Secretary of State, and if he could not settle it, let it be sent to the President ; then, if it was necessary, from its nature, that it should be referred to Congress, the proper method would be taken : but let it not be brought here without having first been officially examined. Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, said, that this was not a case to which the remarks of the gentleman would apply. It appeared that it had been formerly before Congress, and being guided by incorrect documents, they had made an erroneous award. To rectify that mistake was the object of bringing it now before Congress again. This, therefore, was a different case from those to which the principle advanced by the gentleman from Tennessee would generally . He did not know what was the general rule in England ; but he recollected one instance in which an individual who had done some service under the British Government, after having returned to this coun

Indemnification to Foreigners.--Amendment to the Rules.


try, and become again an American citizen, applied to
the British Parliament, and received a compensation for
these services. He hoped the petition would have a re-
ference, as justice required that some inquiry should be
made into the claim of the petitioner.
Mr. HAYNE observed, that he saw some force in the
objections made by the gentleman from Tennessee. The
petition was presented by a British subject. That was
not denied. And to him it appeared clear, that it ought
to be presented officially to Congress: therefore, it segm-
ed out of order for him to petition this body. The gen-
tleman from Maryland had said, that this was a case pecu-
liarly fitted to be laid before the Senate, because it had
once before been passed upon by Congress: hence he
argued that it ought to be considered ". If, as was
stated, justice required that this matter should be inves-
tigated, there was, no doubt, a way in which it might be
done. For instance, any member might present a reso-
lution to that effect; ...; the gentleman from Maryland
was acquainted with the merits of the case—as he, Mr.
H., could not possibly be—a resolution from him, that the
Committee P Finance inquire into the , merits of the
claim, would, as he apprehended, arrive at the desired
result. There were but two ways in which the matter
could be properly settled—either that the claim should
come through the British Minister, or should be settled by
a resolution authorizing its investigation by the proper
Mr. BENTON was convinced that the citizens of other
countries had no right to petition Congress for the adjust-
ment of their claims. For, he contended, that while our
citizens had not the same right in England, it was a pri-
vilege Englishmen had no right to claim in this country.
It was partial and unequal. The right was secured in the
Constitution, to our citizens, to petition Congress, and it
was an infringement upon that right to permit foreigners
to do so. If such a privilege were once accorded, there
would be no possibility of measuring the inconveniences
which would arise from it. The abuse of such a privi-
lege would seriously interfere with the rights of our own
citizens. He was aware of an instance in which a French-
man had introduced a petition in the other House, which
no American citizen would have introduced—and he,
Mr. B. having then reflected much upon the effect of
such a practice, came to the conclusion, that no foreigner
ought to be allowed to petition Congress; that they had
no right to do it, and that it was an encroachment upon
the privileges of our own citizens. He hoped, therefore,
that the rule would now be established; and that, here-
after, foreigners would be restricted to applications made
through their respective Ministers. On these grounds,
he was opposed to the reference of the petition.
Mr. MACON said, that, as it appeared desirable that
the petition should be examined into, in order to decide
whether it was or not an improper petition, he should
move that it lie on the table. He did not intend by this
course to kill it, as the gentleman from Maryland could
call it up at any time.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table.


The following resolution, submitted by Mr. RUG. GLES, yesterday, was then considered : “Resolved, That the following be added to the Rules of the Senate: Rule 2d. As soon as the Journal is read, the business of the Senate shall be taken up as follows: 1. Resolutions of State Legislatures, petitions, and memorials, shall be presented, and disposed of. 2. Reports of Committees, and bills introduced on leave. 3. Motions or resolutions of individual Senators. 4. Orders of the day.”


Western Armory.—Reporters to the Senate.—Indiana School Lands.

[Dec. 17, 1827,

After some conversation between Messrs. RUGGLES, FOOT, and KING, on the expediency of the Rules proposed, the resolution was, on motion of Mr. R., laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.


The resolution submitted yesterday, by Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, authorizing the survey of a site for the location of an Armory at the Horse Shoe Bend, on Licking River, was then taken up. Mr. HENDRICKS said that he should neglect his duty were he to allow this resolution to pass without offering an amendment. As the object proposed in this examination was to choose the best site for a Western Armory, it could not be objected to that any point which was considered likely to present the advantages required, should also be surveyed, as well as the one proposed by the gentleman from Kentucky. When the surveys were formerly made in relation to this object, a site on Blue river, in Indiana, was pointed out to the surveyors; but it was not surveyed. His amendment went to propose the survey of that site, of one near Lawrenceburg, and of a site on \the Wabash, near the mouth of Eel river. Mr. NOBLE said that there were other sites, as well as those already named, which, when the matter was fairly before the Senate, he should propose for examination. He hoped the gentleman would agree with him that the subject ought to be examined thoroughly ; and, in order that it might be, he should move to lay the resolution and the amendment on the table, and print them ; but waived his motion to lay on the table. Mr. KING said, he did not see the object of proposing to print the resolution and amendment. If the resolution was to be considered, he should be under the necessity of offering another amendment, to examine a site on Cypress and Shoal Creeks in Alabama. This situation comprised manifold advantages. It enjoyed the most perfect water communication with the whole Western Country, and would afford the greatest facility to any defence the country might hereafter be called upon to make against attacks along the Gulf country. Among the various advantages of this position might also be enumerated an abundance of iron ore in its vicinity, of the very best quality. Mr. RUGGLES rose, with the remark, that he should not represent the true interests of his constituents, did he neglect to bring forward as an amendment to the resolution, a proposition to add to the sites to be examined, that of Zanesville. This place had, on a former occasion, been | surveyed, and favorably reported upon; but the difficulty of transporting to it the materials for the erection of the armory, was then objected to. This objection, however, was now removed, as the Ohio Canal, constructed within two years, had obviated that difficulty, rendering Zanesville accessible by navigation of the safest description. He thought that, these being the facts, Zanesville was fully entitled to a re-examination. It would be also recollected, that it was within 100 miles of the Lakes, and the communication was free and direct with Lake Erie, through which this country was most likely to be attacked in case of war. Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, said, that, to save time and trouble, he would offer another resolution, (as we understood him,) similar to that offered and amended last year, and comprising all the sites then proposed. [He was informed by the Chair, that it was out of order to offer any other, until that now before the Senate should be disposed of..] He then moved to withdraw the resolution under consideration ; which was agreed to. On motion of Mr. WILLIAMS, it was ordered that, when the Senate adjourn, it adjourn until Monday next, The Senate adjourned.

Mox pay, DEtext her 17, 1827.

Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, from the Committee of Finance, reported a bill to reduce, in part, the duty on imported salt, without amendment.


The following resolution, submitted by Mr. HARRISON, or Friday, was taken up. Resolved, That the Secretary, under the direction of the President of the Senate, cause seats to be prepared upon the floor of the Senate Chamber, for the accommodation of the Reporters of the proceedings of the Senate. Mr. HARRISON remarked, that, for introducing this proposition, he had but one reason. It was, that the seats, now occupied by the Reporters, were so situated, that it was impossible for them to hear those Senators who were out of their view. He knew that the difficulties they now labored under were very great : for he himself had been made to say things that he had never conceived, which he readily believed arose from the impossibility that the Reporters could catch distinctly what passed in the body of the Senate. It must be perfectly obvious to all, that, as the seats of the Senators were now arranged, this difficulty must exist. For his own part, he had never experienced any inconvenience from the manner in which the seats were formerly arranged, but this was a serious evil, arising out of the recent change, which he wished to see removed. If the People were interested in knowing what passed in the Senate, and, if it was proper that it should be reported, it was highly desirable that it should be correctly reported. This could not be done in the present location of the Reporters. For this reason he had introduced this resolution. Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, remarked, that he was in favor of the arrangement proposed ; and was sensible of the inconveniences now experienced by the Reporters. He had seen some of the effects of the difficulty they had in hearing—as his friend from Missouri had been reported, in one of the papers, to have introduced a bill for a still further reduction of our little army of 6,000 men, when, in reality, he had only brought in a bill to explain a pre

vious act, making that reduction ; which had produced great anxiety among those whose interests seemed likely to be affected. It was impossible for the Reporters, under present circumstances, to give the proceedings more correctly than they did; and he hoped they would be so placed as to be enabled to perform their duties more satisfactorily. It was unnecessary to say how much the public was interested in having the reports correctly made. Mr. CHANDLER expressed himself in favor of the ob. ject of the resolution ; but suggested that it would be better to modify it in such a manner as to give the Reporters a wider range. It might be found that the floor would not be the most eligible situation. The CHAIR observed, that the object of the gentleman from Maine would be answered by striking out the words “on the floor of the Senate Chamber,” which would leave the location of the seats at the discretion of the President and Secretary. Mr. HARRISON expressed his acquiescence in the suggestion, and moved the striking out; which was agreed to. The resolution, as modified, was then adopted.


The bill to authorize the State of lndiana to sell the lands hitherto appropriated to the use of Schools in that State, was read a second time.

Mr. BENTON said, that he hoped no sale of lands by the Legislature of that State would be made suddenly. He thought it would be better if a precaution were taken, in relation to the disposal of these lands, by inserting a clause, deferring the sale until another election should

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