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unable to see this book. I shall be pleased to works. I have little confidence in this writer, who send him all the information relating to the
seldom mentions his authorities ; and, to say the family he is interested in on receipt of a
truth, can discover nothing of our author's manner
in the composition itself, which appears to be postcard. I may add that when the parish patched up from different poems, and is therefore of St. Mildred, Poultry, was united with omitted ; though I have thought it right to mention that of St. Olave, Old Jewry, the bodies con- the circumstance." tained in the church and churchyard were re | On the question of authorship MR. CURRY interred in the City of London Cemetery, thinks there “cannot be the least doubt.” Ilford.
CHARLES H. CROUCH. There is considerable doubt. The two points Nightingale Lane, Wanstead.
in favour of its being the work of Jonson are ALDGATE AND WHITECHAPEL (9th S. iv. 168. | that Camden quotes it and that it recalls 269, 385, 441).--The passage from Hermann
some of the poet's epitaphs. I do not think that COL. PRIDEAUX asks me to print is
that these considerations outweigh the silence somewhat too long for these columns. It is
of the 1616 folio, and I utterly fail to grasp an account of the wanderings of Ægelwine,
MR. CURRY's argument that Jonson may have a monk of Bury, with the relics of St.
omitted it because Camden printed it. It is Edmund, in consequence of the raid of
certainly strange that amid the flood of poetic Thurkill into East Anglia in the time of King
tears showered on Prince Henry's grave we Æthelred (c. 1010). After a stay in Essex the
have no tribute from Jonson; but it is far monk comes to London, where he proceeds
stranger that, if he did write such a poern, "a via, quæ Anglice dicitur Ealsegate,” to St.
he suppressed it, considering the prince's Gregory's Church (near St. Paul's). Although
rank and character and his patronage of the there is no clear evidence as to the identity
| poet, and considering the compliment paid of this with Aldgate, the probabilities are
| by Camden. Jonson was not apt to hide his very strongly in favour of such identification,
| light under_a bushel ; I can imagine him since Aldgate was the natural entrance into
saying, as Browning did to his would be London from Essex, whereas Aldersgate is an
reviser F. T. Palgrave, “ Leave out anything ! unlikely one.
Certainly not : quod scripsi, scripsi" With regard to the form Algata in 1125. Il. It is news to me as a serious student of do not think much weight can be laid upon Jonson to read that his fame is not founded it. The later forms show clearly that there on his comedies. Milton thought otherwise, was a vowel between the land the q, and it as he took care to indicate in a graceful is impossible to set aside their evidence.
tribute to “Jonson's learned sock"; ColeFortunately there is contemporary evidence ridge ranked The Alchemist,' for perfection that at the time of the grant referred to by
of plot, with the 'Edipus Tyrannus'; COL. PRIDEAUX the form was Alegata, not
Dickens admired 'Every Man in his Humour,' Algata. The former is the spelling in the and even got it acted. And it sadly overconfirmation by Henry I. of this very grant.
shoots the mark to give even to a selection It is printed, with a facsimile of the original
of Jonson's lyrics the sounding epithets "uncharter. in the new Federa' i. 12. Mr. approached and almost unapproachable." Coote, I presume, must have quoted this
That might be said of “Full fathom five thy Algata from a later copy. not from the father lies," or "Take, oh take those lips original grant.
W. H. STEVENSON.
away,” but the bird-like melody of the per
fect lyric was beyond Jonson's roach, howAN UNCLAIMED POEM OF BEN JONSON (9th ever exquisite detached passages and a few S. iv. 491).—This claim is not new; it was | brief pieces may be. made by W. R. Chetwood in ‘Memoirs of the As a purely minor point, I may note that Life and Writings of Ben. Jonson, Esq.,'| MR. CURRY is not well advised in supporting Dublin, 1756. The poem is there quoted on a theory of Jonsonian authorship by an pp. 40, 41, with the prefatory comment: appeal to the epitaph on the Countess of “There were innumerable Poems on the Pernbroke. There are reasons--not perhaps Death of this much lamented Prince; but convincing, but serious reasons-for ascribwe shall only give the Reader the following ing that poem to William Browne; and it is one by our Author, not printed in his Works." uncritical, in solving a question of authorship, Gifford, in his edition of Jonson, rejected this to lay any stress upon a disputed poem. ascription, and did not even quote the poem;
PERCY SIMPSON. in a note on 'Underwoods,' xxxiii., he says: “Chetwood has an Epitaph on prince Henry,
“NEWSPAPER” (8th S. vi. 508 ; vii. 112, 237, which he ascribes to Jonson, and which the reader
432 ; ix. 294).-In my continued search for may perhaps expect to find in a collection of his the earliest use of this word, which at the first reference I traced to 1680, I have been ravelled the stockings, stuck pieces of the able to put it back ten years. In the yarn on cards, with attestations of their his
Domestic State Papers of Charles II.' in the tory, and “sold them to secure money to help Record Office (vol. cclxxviii., No. 148) is a to save the Old South Church of Boston." letter dated from Chester, 10 Sept., 1670, from This does not give the date of publication, “Ma. Anderton” to Charles Perrott, clerk to nor does the Dispatch give its authority for Williamson, Arlington's secretary, in which any part of the statement. he says :
H. SNOWDEN WARD. “I wanted y® newes paper for Monday last past The Athenaeum of 31 May, 1879. reported & I assure you I had rather been wthout it 3 moneths before than mist of it in yo Assize time.”
the death of Mrs. Hale, once a voluminous The fashion in which the term is here
writer, author of a volume of verse, The
| Genius of Oblivion, and other Original employed would seem to indicate familiar
Poems,' so long ago as 1823. According to an use.
ALFRED F. ROBBINS. Textract from an American paper made shortly RUBENS'S PORTRAIT OF THE MARCHESA after her death, Mrs. Sarah Josepha Hale, GRIMALDI (9th S. iv. 438).--This portrait is the editor of ‘Godey's Lady's Book,' resided the property of Mr. Bankes, of Kingston | at Boston in 1830, when and where the poem Lacy, near Wimborne, where it now hangs. in question was first published. GERALD PONSONBY.
EVERARD HOME COLEMAN,
| 71, Brecknock Road. INSTRUMENTAL CHOIR (7th S. xii. 347, 416, 469 ; gth S. i. 195, 336, 498 ; ii. 15; gth 'S. ii. “HOODOCK” (gth S. iv. 517).—This word is 513; iii. 178; iv. 12, 74, 445). --Has the fine undoubtedly difficult, and the suggestion specimen of a barrel-organ (used in a church) offered in the supplement to Jamieson seems belonging to Salt, near Stafford, been chro- to meet the difficulty fairly well. There is nicled in N. & Q.'? It was in situ and in no doubt that "hovdy" signifies carrion-crow, excellent order in 1879, and is probably there but it remains to be proved that “hoodock” still. It was supplanted in regular use by a is the same word or å word akin to it. All modern organ, but was carefully preserved that can be said is that, till something better by the then vicar, the Rev. W. Vincent. is offered as an explanation, “hoodock,” in
W. H. QUARRELL. the line CARDINAL NEWMAN AND `N. & Qi' (9th S. The harpy, hoodock, purse-proud race, iv. 498). — Cardinal Newman's letter was may signify “like a ‘hoody,' or carrion-crow, originally addressed to the Guardian, and foul and greedy.” Robert Chambers, who was appeared in that publication 25 Feb., 1880, not without experience in such things, glosses but was reproduced in ‘N. & Q.,'6th S. i. 232. the word as “miserly” in his 'Works of MR. MARSHALL's previous query, of more than Burns,' 1851, repeating this in the library nine years ago, will be found in 7th S. x. 174. edition of 1857. Scott Douglas follows
EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. Chambers, 'Works of Burns,' ii. 29. 71, Brecknock Road.
THOMAS BAYNE. "MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB” (9th S. iv. 499). The FUTURE OF BOOKS AND BOOKMEN (9th -Curiously, this question is almost simul- S. iv. 476).--In one of his 'Roundabout Papers,' taneous with the publication of the answer in viz., 'The Last Sketch,' Thackeray, it will be the Pittsburgh Dispatch, a paper from which remembered, cheers his heart with similar I obtain many items of curious literary hopeful speculations :information. The Dispatch says that the “Some day our spirits may be permitted to walk "Mary” in question was Mary Elizabeth in galleries of fancies more wondrous and beautiful Sawyer, a Massachusetts girl. The lamb was than any achieved works which at present we see, one of two deserted by their mother. One and our minds to behold and delight in master: of the lambs" followed her to school one day,” pieces which poets' and artists' minds have fathered and on" that morning a young student named
and conceived only."
H. E. M. Rawlston was a visitor to the school......a few
St. Petersburg. days later he handed Mary the first three verses of the poem. He died soon after, THAMES TUNNEL (9th S. iv. 419, 467).-As an ignorant of the immortality of his verses.'' old native of the "port of London,” GravesThe lamb lived for many years, and was end, I have been awaiting difference of finally killed by a cow. Mary's mother made opinion as to MR. GEORGE MARSHALL's sumits wool into stockings, which eventually ming up of Ralph Dodd, civil engineer, as "a became "yellow with age.” Finally, Mary man of ideas only, which came to nothing."
Had Dodd only lived long enough he would in front of Darlington Railway Station, and have seen all he had propounded coming labelled “S. & D. R., No. 1," with the record literally to pass, for even now I have before as to how it had trailed its trains of coaches me the draft of a Bill to come shortly before and waggons in 1825 at the unheard-of rate of Parliament, for a Purfleet and Gravesend twelve miles an hour. Railway, reviving again the old idea of that There are, I fear, folks in Gravesend to-day tunnel.
I who would tell you that the present SouthMR. MARSHALL would scarcely dare to dub Eastern Railway has rather gone back than Brunel, the engineer of that once famous improved upon those promising times. Thames Tunnel between Wapping and Without daring to dispute such statement, Rotherhithe, as a man of ideas only, though I would be more inclined to blame the people we all know what a failure it proved as com- of Gravesend, where the names of Dodd and pleted. Water was constantly pumped out, such as he are ignored and forgotten. Gravesonly to keep the tunnel open as a curiosity, or end ought to have given him a statue. Like as a new wonder of the world, and the best use the great Homer, he asked for bread, and that could be found for it was to convert it they might at least have given him a stone. into a bazaar for the sale of children's toys, This port of London has had, in its time, giving it an appearance not unlike the pre-chances of progress almost before any other sent Burlington Arcade, except that in 1843, place in the world, and even still has if its the anniversary of the opening, the directors people would but awaken and see. But its varied the scene by the holding of a three pioneers are laughed at, and their theories days' fancy fair, the “ Wizard of the North” dubbed as fairy tales. It is the regressionists performing, as did a troop of Ethiopian min-only now who can find a way to the fore, and strels and bands of music, with “myriads of Gravesend sleeps, in the very gateway of the variegated lamps." It is to-day simply a great market of the world, a very slightly part of a long dark tunnel of the East London disturbed sleep, and snores. Railway Company, and people have forgotten
CHARLES COBHAM, F.S.I. its very existence as the old Thames Tunnel. | The Shrubbery, Gravesend.
Then, in referring to the Thames and Medway Canal, MR. MARSHALL appears to be
Child's Book (9th S. iv. 499).— The lines altogether unaware that Dodd's scheme of
“Mama, why mayn't I when I dine,” will be
| found in Mrs. Turner's 'Cautionary Stories, 1800 became an absolute fact accomplished in 1824. A part of that canal is the present to
| to be had at any bookseller's. tunnel, two miles long, under the chalk hills
GERALD PONSONBY. between Strood and Highain. In those days,
“NEFs” (gth S. iv. 457).-I have not seen before railways were, a tunnel of two miles any of the “nefs,” or silver models of ships, long was rather a big affair.
mentioned by A. R. P., but such things must But the tide of time brought railways to
have been fairly common in countries where the fore, and the iron horse laid its hoof upon the feudal system held its own. In the the route, as it did on many a canal trust. Middle Ages, for instance, vessels of huge It is not generally known now that one of dimensions and shaped like a ship were the earliest iron roads for locomotives ever placed before the feudal lord, containing constructed was that between Strood and wines, spices, sauces, spoons, and such-like Gravesend, now swallowed up, like the appurtenances of the dinner-table. Similar Thames Tunnel at Wapping, in railway mono- articles appear to have been used by the poly, by the present "amalgamated South-kings of France, and Francis I. is said on Eastern and Chatham and Dover systems. one occasion to ha
one occasion to have been extremely vexed Trains used to run then on a single line laid with the Protestants because they were in upon the towing-path, side by side with the habit of slipping a note into the "net" in bargés in friendly commune.
which the king's meal was served. These Happening to have been present at Darling
en present at Darling- luxuries were sometimes of gold as well as of ton, at the great Railway Jubilee Exhibition silver, and were mounted on tigers, or in 1875, I could not but notice then, among adorned at either end with angels or pearelics of the past, a quaint old locomotive, cocks displaying their tails. A favourite lent by the South-Eastern Railway Company, ornament would be a number of escutcheons which had apparently in its heyday run over on which were shown the arms of France. this very line. It was exhibited in company
T. P. ARMSTRONG. with George Stephenson’s “Locomotion,"
Timperley. that magnificent piece of machinery, for this “Petite machine en forme de navire où l'on occasion removed from its honoured pedestal enfermait le couvert du roi, et qui se servait sur un
bout de la table...... Dans la vie privée du moyen pictures of Court and city life, and have been âge on appelait nef un vase allongé et de vaste much used by historians and memoir-writers. capacité, qu'on plaçait sur la table en face du See Strafford Letters,' i. 165. 174. 205. 225. seigneur.”-Littré. In the latter case the “nef” held the sauces, 434 446, 462, 467, 489, 505, 509, 523; ii. 1, 55,
242, 260, 265, 335, 357, 361, 372, 389, 412, seasoning, &c. In England it served a similar
| 72, 85, 114, 128, 140, 147, 152, 164, 179, 351.' purpose, particularly, I think, in holding the He'obtained the Mastership of the Charter. salt. In Mr. Orchardson's picture The Young Duke' there is a very prominent Wentworth with Archbishop Laud (Laud's
he house, March, 1638, through the influence of “nef." GEORGE MARSHALL.
Works,' vol. vii. p. 132 note). Sefton Park, Liverpool.
While the matter was still pending, the Thirty-seven years ago a very similar archbishop wrote about Garrard (or Garrat question appeared in ‘N. & Q.' (3rd S. ii.), and as he calls him) to the Deputy :as I have unsuccessfully searched for the “For Mr. Garrat you write handsomely. I make word in a dozen dictionaries, both ancient as little doubt as your Lordship of his honesty in and modern, I think I am justified in tran- | his place. I have known him long, but whether scribing the remarks of the Editor and the good company (which he likes well) will let him be
as vigilant for the thrift, and careful for the governreply of an anonymous correspondent for the
ment of that house as is requisite, I am not infinitely benefit of your readers of the present day. confident. He hath been with me since I received At p. 129:
your letters, and I have given him a fair and true "The nef is described in Labarte's 'Handbook of answer, and perhaps may do more than so. I have the Arts of the Middle Ages and Renaissance'-a also declared to him how much he is bound unto book which, on account of the value of its informa.
account of the value of its informa. you. For myself, he never came at me, since my tion and the beauty of its illustrations, should living about London, till this winter (1635), then he accompany every visitor to the interesting Exhibi. | came first with 110 (Lord Cottington) in his contion at South Kensington. At p. 226 we are told | pany and 19 (cypher unknown) to boot. Since he a nef is the piece of plate in which the nobility of hath visited me often, and now I see the cause of those days displayed The greatest luxury.' The nef | his kindness." ---Laud's 'Works,' vol. vii. pp. 132-3. was a kind of box in the form of a ship, which was In one of his letters Garrard tells us a placed upon the table of a sovereign or great person; curious bit of history :it had a lock to it, and served to contain the goblet and rarious other utensils for the owner's private
| “Mr. Controller Vane's eldest son hath left his use.' Descriptions of several of these splendid
father, his mother, and his country, and that specimens of medieval luxury are given by Labarte."
fortune, which his father would have left him here,
for conscience sake, gone into New England, there At p. 198:
to lead the rest of his days, being about 20 years "A nef was a ship on wheels ; of which we have old. He had abstained 2 years from taking the the most irrefragable proof on the seal of Stephen sacrament in England, because he could get nobody Payn, almover to King Henry V., of which I enclose to administer it to him standing. I hear that Sir an impression for your acceptance. Here we have Nathaniel Rich and Mr. Pym have done him much an ecclesiastic, no doubt Payn himself, bearing an hurt in their persuasions this way. God forgive andoubted nej, filled to the brim with coin, the them for it, if they be guilty.”— Strafford Letters,' purpose of which is fully explained by the legend : vol. i. p. 463. Sigillum officii elemosynarij regis Henrici Quinti
FRANCESCA. Angliæ.' The present Lord High Alnioner bears upon his official seal a large ship in full sail, yet few According to the Editor's reply to a know that it is a mere vestigium of the ancient nef. previous query (see 3rd S. vi. 252) this And again, we little thought in our childhood's gentleman was one of Dr. Donne's corredays that the promise of a toy 'when my ship spondents, and is frequently noticed in comes in' has meant, from time immemorial, 'when somebody gives me some money.'
mal, his letters. He was a clergyman, and lived EVERARD HOME COLEMAN.
in the Strand, where he was a lodger,
in which capacity he was assessed forty 71, Brecknock Road.
shillings to the ship money. In 1637 he was GARRARD, MASTER OF THE CHARTERHOUSE chosen Master of the Charterhouse, and was (9th S. iv. 498).--The Rev. George Garrard succeeded in the office by Edward Crossett, was a London clergyman, temp. Charles I., Esq., in 1650. and he was "intelligencer” to the Lord Peter Cunningham, in his 'Handbook of Deputy Wentworth :
London,' describes him as “the gossiping "He (Wentworth) instructed a gossiping person,
correspondent of the great Lord Strafford.” a hired retainer of his own, the Rev. Mr. Garrard,
EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. to furnish him in monthly packets of news with all 71, Brecknock Road. the private scandal and rumours, and secret affairs of the Court, and of London generally.”-Forster's VENN: MOUNTFORD (9th S. iv. 497).-In the British Statesmen,' vol. ii. p. 290.
| Dictionary of National Biography'there is a Garrard's letters to his patron are curious life of the Rev.Henry Venn, who died 1797 and
was buried in the old church, Clapham-also Border': “Touching the hilt of a warrior's lives of his son John, rector of Clapham sword was regarded as an acknowledgment (whose daughter Jane was the mother of Mr. of subjection.” The reference is to an incident Leslie Stephen and his brother Sir James at the Court of Harald Harfager of Norway, Fitzjames Stephen); and of his grandson, who, by accident, so took a gift-sword from Prebendary Henry Venn, of St. John's, the ambassador of King Adelstein in 925 A.D. Holloway, who died 18 January, 1873. Readers of Mr. Kipling will remember a
I cannot find a Lord Mountford. Probably similar incident narrated in one of his stories MR. ASHLEY-COOPER means Henry Bromley, ((I think it is in 'The Back of the Beyond '), Lord Montfort. Short biographies of this where an Indian chief touches the hilt of a nobleman, his ancestors and descendants, British colonel's sword - also in token of will be found in peerages of the time, notably loyalty. Can any of your readers adduce the 'New Peerage,' 1778, &c., and Collins's, other instances, or in any way show some 1779, &c. He was born 20 August, 1705 ; link between these identical rites, so widely succeeded to the paternal and maternal separate in time and place ? J. H. C. estates on the death of his father John Bromley, October, 1718; married Frances, DOUBLE-NAME SIGNATURES FOR PEERS (9th daughter of Thomas Wyndham and sister S. iv. 399, 487, 529). —Lord Lytton, in his and sole heir of Sir Francis Wyndham, of 'What will he do with It ?' says, when Trent, co. Somerset. Bart., by whom he had speaking of the fainily of his hero Guy Dara son Thonias, born 1733, and a daughter rell, and of the intended marriage of his Frances, who married, 1747, the Hon. Charles daughter and heiress with the Marquis of S. Cadogan, afterwards first Earl of Cadogan. | Montfort : The said Henry Bromley was M.P. for Cam-' “It was an euthanasia for the old Knightly race bridgeshire in the Parliaments of 1727 and I to die into a House that was an institution in the 1734. Created Lord Montfort, Baron of
empire, and revive phenix-like in a line of peers Horseheath, Cambridgeshire, 9 May, 1741.
1-24 who might perpetuate the name of the Heiress
1. whose quarterings they would annex to their own, He died 1 January, 1755, and was buried in and sign themselves Darrell Montfort.” Trinity Chapel, South Audley Street, London.
F. E. R. POLLARD-URQUHART. Succeeded by his son Thomas, second Lord
Craigston Castle, Turriff, N.B. Montfort. Peerage extinct 1851.
HERBERT B. CLAYTON. Lord Byron, when he married, prefixed the It may help MR. ASHLEY-COOPER to an
name of his wife's family to his title, and
signed his name “Noel Byron," I suppose answer to his query about the name Mountford to state that it is, or was, a regular
that, when his wife dropped him, he dropped her name.
E. YARDLEY. Christian name in the family of Longfield, well known amongst the leading landed
| LINCOLNSHIRE SAYINGS (9th S. iv. 478).gentry in the south of the co. Cork. An old "As black ne the devil
"As black as the devil's nutting-bag” is a gentleman tells me he l'ecollects at least
saying by no means confined to Lincolnshire, two of the name amongst his schoolfellows It is, at least, a Berkshire and Somersetshire in the town of Bandon, and he thinks there phrase, the allusion being to the devil's use of was an eminent judge of that name in the
à nuthook as a catchpole or bailiff, and to the Irish Landed Estate Court forty or fifty
necessarily sable hue of the devil's appurtenyears ago.
J. HOLDEN MacMICHAEL. The Rev. John Venn wrote the life of his father, and a selection from his letters was
“Elixir Vitæ" IN FICTION (9th S. iv. 187, published with it. The seventh edition was 257). --Add the Cagliostro scene in Dumas's printed in 1853. The editions of The Com- 'Queen's Necklace. I believe the scene is pleat Duty of Man'issued in 1838, 1839, and lifted bodily from somewhere else, but cannot 1859 contain a inemoir of the author. Mr. | trace it. EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. Venn.
Hastings. The title of Mountford I cannot find ; but
“None” (gth S. iv. 439, 544).- Whoever, on if it is intended for (Bromley) Lord Montfort, Collins's ‘Peerage' and Burke's 'Extinct
grammatical grounds, objects to “none are Peerage' will give information.
| ripe" should, in consistency, equally object
to “any men,” any being the adjective of án, John RADCLIFFE.
"one.”" Moreover, how many are blind to the “ BY THE HAFT” (gth S. iv, 287, 355).--The fact that grammar is determined by usage! following occurs in a foot-note to p. 227,
F. H. val. iji, of Scott's 'Minstrelsy of the Scottish Marlesford,