A. Yes, sir.

Q. That was the spring of the year before he was elected State

Engineer?

A. Yes, sir; the directions he gave me were before the election; I was making out the quantities.

By Mr. SMITH.

Q. In 1865 he gave you directions?

A. I went there in the fall of 1864, and in the fall of 1865 he was elected.

Q. And you made the estimates under his directions?

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. STANFORD.

Q. It now appears that this slope wall was dispensed with, and rip-raps substituted?

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. CLARK.

Q. Can you state whether the amount of rip-raps was greater or less than the estimate you gave for slope wall which was

?

A. It is not as great. There has been paid for 6,860 yards, and I estimated 15,000. Mr. Hanks states that it will take 74,875 more to complete the section.

By Mr. STANFORD.

Q. Are you aware it is supposed there will be a great deal more rip-raps than is estimated?

A. I do not suppose that is one-quarter of what will be required. Q. What is the price of that slope wall?

A. Fifty cents.

Q. The rip-raps the same price?

A. The rip-raps $1.50.

The witness produced the tables in evidence as follows:

Estimate of the cost of Section No. 5, Chenango Canal Extension, Chas. G. Danolds, Contractor, at the time the work was let, June 22, 1865, and also Hanks' estimate of the amount of work done up to March 1, 1867.

Estimate of the cost of Section No. 6, Chenango Canal Extension, at the time the work was let, June 22, 1865, and also Hanks' estimate of the amount of work done up to March 1, 1867. Charles A. Danolds, Contractor.

Estimate of the cost of Section No. 8, Chenango Canal Extension, at the time the work was let, June 22, 1865, and also Hanks' estimate of the amount of work done up to March 1, 1867. Geo. D. Lord,

Contractor.

Estimate of the cost of Section No. 7, Chenango Canal Extension, at the time the work was let, June 22, 1865, and also Hanks' estimate of the amount of work done up to March 1, 1867. Wm. T. Dennison, Contractor.

Jacob A. Mead recalled, testified as follows:

By Mr. SMITII.

Q. Please state the facts in reference to the letting of the bid for work on the Genesee Valley canal?

A. This statement I have upon information. Peter Dunn made a bid on the Genesee Valley canal for work. His bid was a little lower than George Lord's. George Lord went up to Portage and saw him, and offered to give him $5,000 if he would allow his bid to be made informal. He said it will cost all of a thousand to fifteen hundred, and I will give you $5,000 if you will allow it to be done. Mr. Dunn said that he concluded he would prefer to do the work. Mr. George Lord was the next above him. He came down in company with some one whom I can find out, and got off at Schenectady, where the clerk of the contracting Board was living, and whose name was David P. Forrest. This was on Sunday morning. Mr. Dunn, or some one he sent down to look after his matters, when the bids came to be overhauled, learned that his bid was informal, and Mr. Lord got the work without giving Mr. Dunn the $5,000. How much he gave for the informality I don't know.

Q. When was that?

A. That was in 1864 or '65. Mr. Inman, Dr. Mills and Peter Dunn will all come before this committee and swear that Mr. Inman's name was in its proper place, and it appears now entirely off. There is another fact that can be proved here, and that is there is such a thing as taking a name off paper just as clean as anything in the world.

Q. Can you give these facts more particularly?

A. I can by some inquiries. I have telegraphed this Mr. Dunn to come here.

On motion, the committee adjourned to meet on Friday, March 29th, at 3 o'clock P. M.

March 27th, 1867.

The Committee met pursuant to adjournment.

Present-Messrs. STANFORD, GIBSON, BRISTOL, SMITH, CLARK,

GRIDLEY and MILLSPAUGH.

Alanson Dodge, being duly sworn, testified as follows:

By Mr. SMITH.

Q. Where do you reside?

A. I live at Fulton.

Q. What is your occupation?

A. I have been connected with the canals most of the time since 1836 up to about 1860; since then, my principal business has been the lumbering business.

Q. What is your age?

A. Fifty-nine.

Q. Have you been a Canal Superintendent?

A. I have.

Q. Where, and for how long?

A. I was Canal Superintendent in 1843-'4, and '52–’3.

Q. I wish you to go on and state fully and truthfully, as if you were particularly interrogated, any irregularities or improprieties on the part of any one in the management of the canals in this State? A. Where I have been connected with it?

Q. Whether you have been connected with it or otherwise whatever is within your knowledge.

A. In 1854, I commenced contracting after I left the canal, and did about $150,000 to $200,000 worth of work, I should think. I knew nothing then-the rascality had not begun that I know of, In 1860, I bid for work-four pieces of work on the Cayuga and Seneca canal.

Q. Can you identify the sections, and what kind of work it was? A. There were two of excavations principally, and two of masonwork. I was the lowest bidder, and the work was awarded to me. I think, if I recollect right, it was the 15th of February it was awarded to me. Within ten days I called at the Engineer's office in Syracuse, the proper place, for my contract. My contract was ready and I executed it. I asked the Engineer for the laborers' bond. We have to give a bond for laborers' wages, and he said it was not filled out.

Q. Do you know the Engineer's name?

A. His name was Barnum; he is dead now; he gave me the contract and said he would fill the bond out, and when I came to Syracuse again, in a few days, I might call again; I executed the contract within ten days after the work was let; that is the time given; it run along three or four days after I executed the contract, and I called again for the bond, and gave in the name of Delos De Wolf and Rensselaer R. Dodge for sureties.