A. I heard Morgan state to a citizen that it was not his disposition to molest citizens.

Q. I ask you, did you molest citizens at all?

A. I think likely the command did; I never did.

Q. They did not follow General Morgan's orders, did they?

A. No, sir; I don't think they did in many respects.

Q. Do you mean to say that you went all through this raid fighting in selfdefence; was that the object of this raid?

A. Well, I got in, and I had to get out.

Q. Do you mean to say the object of this raid was fighting in self-defence as you passed through Ohio and Indiana?

A. I could not say that it was.

Q. When you fired your gun during this raid, did you fire with the same Union mental reservation that you spoke of the other day?

A. I hadn't time to think about anything.

Q. Did you see any opportunity during this time that you were in the confederate service of running away with any Union men?

A. No, sir, I never did.

Q. You saw no such chances, did you?

A. No, sir, none that I am aware of.

Q. Could you have got through into the Union lines?

A. I could have done so by reporting to a home guard, who did not care whether a man was a rebel or not. If I could have surrendered to a regular officer of the United States army, I would have done so.

Q. Were you wishing for an opportunity of getting into the Union lines at that time?

A. I cannot say that I was.

Q. I understand you to say you arrived at Camp Douglas the 16th of August, 1863; how long was it before you applied to take the oath of allegiance? A. I was just waiting for my term of service in the confederate army to expire to make my application.

Q. What did you want that to expire for?

A. I did not know that I could be regarded as a belligerent. I felt that I was carrying out the principle under which I acted.

Q. Do you mean the oath you had taken?

A. No, sir, I mean the political aspect in which I took the oath.

Q. How long was it after you got to Camp Douglas before you mentioned you wished to take the oath of allegiance?

that

A. I think it was a month.

Q. How long before you mentioned it to Colonel Skinner?

A. I do not know that I ever mentioned it to him. My application was made in writing.

Q. You say you had no reason for delaying it except that your term of service in the confederate army had not expired?

A. That was the reason I waited.

Q. What time did you make this application to take the oath of allegiance? A. In June last.

Q. What time did you take the oath ?

A. The 5th of December, 1864, I think it was.

Q. Can you state why you waited from June to December, 1864?

A. That was in the hands of the authorities at Washington; I could not give any reason.

Q. When were you first notified that you would be permitted to take the oath?

A. I think it was on the evening of the 4th of December.

Q. Where were you then?

A. At Camp Douglas.

Q. What time did you come from Camp Douglas to Cincinnati ?
A. I left Camp Douglas on the 2d of January.

Q. Do you know of anybody else in or about Camp Douglas, who was engaged in this same kind of business you were?

A. I do not know that I do; there may have been other parties.

Q. Did you ever talk with any other persons than Colonel Sweet upon the subject of this conspiracy?

Ă. I believe I talked to Colonel Skinner in regard to it, and to some detectives.

Q. Who?

A. Mr. Keefe.

Q. Where did you talk with him?

A. At Camp Douglas.

Q. During what length of time was Keefe at Camp Douglas?

A. I do not know, sir; he was perhaps engaged in it before I was aware of what he was doing.

Q. How long did you see him engaged in this?

A. Two or three weeks.

Q. How many times did you talk with him?

A. I only had one talk with him at Camp Douglas; that was on the 3d of November.

Q. What time did you leave camp that evening?

A. About seven or eight o'clock.

Q. Any one with you?

A. Mr. Keefe.

go

with

you?

A. To No. 6 Washington street.

Q. Where was he when you went to No. 6 Washington street?

A. He was outside, sir.

Q. How soon did you see him after you left there?

A. About five minutes after I left.

Q. Where did you see him?

A. On the street.

Q. Where on the street?

A. I think on the corner of Washington and State.

Q. How far from No. 6 Washington street?

A. One or two blocks; it is not far.

Q. Did you expect to find him there when you went out?

A. I expect I did.

Q. Did you then know Mr. Keefe ?

A. No, sir.

Q. Have you seen him since you have been in Cincinnati ?

A. No, sir, I have not.

Q. Who else did you see about acting as detective ?

A. Mr. Barrett.

Q. Who else?

A. Captain Nelson.

Q. Who else?

A. They are all I saw.

Q. Did you ever see anybody by the name of Langhorn?

A. I never knew him until just before I started here, I never knew him until within a few days before starting herc.

Q. How many days?

A. Possibly three or four days.

Q. Did you ever see him before?

A. I saw him at headquarters, but did not know his name?

Q. Did you know him by any different name?

A. I do not recollect whether I did or not.

Q. Do you mean to say you do not know whether you knew him by any other name?

A. I think I have heard him called Johnson.

Q. Did you know that you had heard him called Johnson, when I asked you a moment ago?

A. No, sir, I did not think of it.

Q. Have you talked with Langhorn since this trial commenced?

A. Not upon the subject of this testimony.

Q. Have you talked with him on the subject of this conspiracy?

A. No, sir; I think I told Mr. Langhorn, by direction of the judge advocate, that we were not to hold conversation, not even to read newspapers.

Q. Do you know where he stops in the city?

A. Yes, sir; room No. 162 Spencer House.

Q. Where do you stop?

A. In the same room.

Q. Did you talk with him, about this conspiracy, before the judge advocate told you this?

A. I never knew anything of what his testimony would be, nor he of mine. Q. How did you enter your name at the Richmond House?

A. J. T. Thompson, Springfield House, Illinois ?

Q. What was the substance of the note you sent up?

A. I requested to see him at half past seven o'clock; I signed, "Thompson."

Q. Did you go up?

A. No, sir; I sent the card up, and he was not in.

Q. Did you make any explanation in the note as to who you were?

A. No, sir; I do not think I did.

Q. When did you see Grenfel first?

A. I saw him when he received my note at the office; I spoke to him, and I think we went to his room.

Q. Did he receive your note at the office?

A. I am not positive; I think it was Fielding received my note in the office.

I think Grenfel received my note in his room.

Q. Who took it to him?

A. I think a servant.

Q. Are you sure about this?

A. I am pretty satisfied it was so.

Q. Did you see a servant take it to his room?

A. I do not know, but there were servants about.

Q. Did you see any servant start with that note to Grenfel's room?

A. I saw a servant start, or what I presume was a servant.

Q. Do you know that it was a servant?

A. My impression is that it was a black or mulatto servant.

Q. Would you swear to that?

A. I would not be positive.

Q. What time did you see this note taken up?

A. Perhaps seven o'clock.

Q. Do you know where the note remained from four till seven?

A. After the note was written and taken up, it was returned, and stuck in a pigeon-hole in the office.

Q. How long did you wait for a reply?

A. Until the note was returned, and the clerk reported that the colonel was not in.

Q. When did you first see him?

A. I saw him pass up to his room, and recognized him.

Q. Where did you first speak to him?

A. In his room.

Q. About what time?

A. About half past seven.

Q. Did you see any one else in his room at that time?

A. No, sir.

Q. Had you ever in your life spoken before or with Grenfel before you spoke to him in his room?

A. I have, sir.

Q. Where had you spoken to him before?

A. I was introduced to him by General Morgan, I think, at his headquarters, six miles from Murfreesboro'.

Q. What was your position, at this time, in the army?

A. I was then in the subsistence department, with the rank of captain.
Q. Had you any business with Grenfel?

A. No, sir.

Q. Was that the only time you ever saw him, before you met him in this room? A. I think I met him afterwards.

Q. Did you talk with him?

A. I think I met him at the residence of Morgan's father-in-law.

Q Did you ever talk with him, except at that time?

A. I met him frequently in Murfreesboro', but I do not think I talked with him.

Q. What was the name of Morgan's father-in-law?

A. I think Brady; I was boarding right opposite his house.

Q. When you went up to Grenfel's room that night, how long did you remain? A. Perhaps an hour.

Q. Was any one else in his room at the time?

A. Not that I saw.

Q. Who did you see, after you left his room that night, before you went there again?

A. I saw Mr. Keefe.

Q. Where did you see him?

A. Out on the street, opposite the Richmond House.

Q. Was he in your room at any time?

A. No, sir; not until after I was arrested.

Q. When you went up to Grenfel's room again, did you go alone?

A. I do not remember whether I did or not.

not remember any person going with me.

Q. Do you remember going with any person?

A. I do not, sir.

I must have gone alone; I do

Q. Where did you leave Keefe when you went to his room last time?

A. I left him going towards the Tremont House.

Q. How long did you remain in Grenfel's room the second time you went there?

A. It must have been near twelve o'clock when I left.

Q. Did

you remain, the second time you were there, till you left with Fielding? A. Yes, sir; I did not come out until I left with Mr. Fielding to go to my

room.

Q. Was the door shut all the time you were in Grenfel's room?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you ever talk with Fielding or Grenfel, in relation to this subject, except in those rooms?

A. No, sir; only in those rooms.

Q. Had you ever any arms with you at that time?

A. I had, sir.

Q. What arms?

A. A pair of Derringer pistols.

Q. Have you told now, in answer to the questions put by the judge advocate, and in answer to the questions I have put to you, all that has occurred in relation to Grenfel, that you remember?

A. To the best of my knowledge and belief, I have.

Q. Did you see Grenfel again from the time you left his room, at half past seven, to the time you went to his room afterwards?

A. I did not, to my recollection; I went there, the last time, about half past nine.

Q. Can you remember anything in the conference with Grenfel that you have not stated?

A. I cannot.

Q. Did you not buy a bottle of brandy and take to Grenfel?

A. I remember sending for a bottle of brandy, and having it brought in.

Q. Did you not buy a bottle of brandy and have it sent up?

A. No, sir; I had it sent in from my room.

Q. When did you pay for it?

A. On the evening of the 3d of November.

Q. How long before you went to Grenfel's room the last time?

A. I do not know whether it was the first or second interview. I know I had a bottle of brandy sent up to my room, and I rang the bell, and had the bottle brought from my room to Grenfel's.

Q. When did you pay for the bottle of brandy that you had brought to Grenfel's room?

A. I do not remember, but it was some time during the evening that I left Grenfel's room the first time.

Q. How long before you went up to the half past nine interview?

A. I do not know; it may have been perhaps half an hour.

Q. Whom did you pay for this bottle of brandy?

A. The clerk.

Q. Will you swear that you did not take that bottle of brandy into Grenfel's room when you went in?

A. I will, sir; I can point out the servant that brought it in, if he is still at the Richmond House.

Q. Will you swear that

A. I will, sir.

you did not take it up to your own room yourself?

Q. Where was Keefe at the time you brought that brandy?

A. I do not know.

Q. Had you any talk with him about buying that brandy and taking it up? A. No, sir; not a word.

Q. Have you any knowledge or any recollection of any horses that Grenfel had being pressed at a certain time?

A. I heard of it some months after its occurrence.

Q. Had you anything to do with pressing them?

A. No, sir. There were five men whom I had recruited at Murfreesboro' who had no horses; they went on, but were not mounted. I never heard of them until six months afterwards, and I learned that they had pressed some of Grenfel's horses. Grenfel followed them and had them arrested.

Q. Did you make any statement respecting this in writing?

A. Not that I remember.