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the terms upon which the Painted-hall was Greenwich Hospital has been extremely well cleaned at Greenwich ?-I did not but lately. repaired. You know it now!--I do,
Do you know whether any part of it has Was the bargain of cleaning it a good bar- been re-painted ?-As far as my eyes could gain on the side of the Hospital?-I think it reach I could see. is very reasonable.*
I think you have said that the chapel at Was the cleaning of the Painted-chamber Whitehall was repaired ? -Yes. at Whitehall upon better terms ? - Much Did you repair that ?--I did. dearer ; but I did not think myself well paid. What were you paid for that ? -For myself I
was paid 400 guincas, and all the expences Cross-Examination.
including the whole, amounted to near 7001.
Was the scaffolding included in that 7001? How long have you been acquainted with -No, that was built by the board of works. the paintings at Greenwich-Hospital ?-Very Whom are the paintings done by in the lately.
Banqueting-house?-By Rubens. Did you ever see them before they were Whom are the paintings done by in Greencleaned? -I did.
wich hall?—Sir James Thornhill. • How long ago was that?-I believe it is Do you know how many feet there are in nine or ten years ago.
Whitehall chapel ?-I do not know. Was there ever any scaffolding made by Which is the largest quantity of work?which you could examine them so near as to Greenwich Hospital, ten times larger, in proknow what repairs they would want?—There portion. was no scaffold at all at that time.
Do you know Mr. Bertels ?-I do not. Where did you see them from ?-From the Did you never hear of such a man that bottom.
deals in pictures ?—No, I do not know him. How high is the hall ?-I cannot tell ex- The Earl of Chesterfield. Whether you do actly the dimensions; but it seemed to me not think that if the cleaning of the pictures very high.
at the Painted-hall at Greenwich, had been Is it thirty feet high ?- Thereabouts, I put into improper hands that great damage should think.
might be done to them?-A. My opinion was, At that distance could you be a judge of that it was a very lucky circumstance that what repair they could want ?-As I did not they were so well repaired, as it is one of the go as an examinator, I did not take particular best pieces of work that this nation can brag notice of that.
of; and I think it is well repaired. Then, at that time, did you form any judg- Whether you know Mr. Greenwood ?-I ment of what it would cost to repair the know him by sight. paintings!--I did not think of it.
No otherwise?No otherwise. From that time when was the next time
[John Baptist Cipriani withdrew.] you saw the Painted-hall?—Last Sunday se'nnight.
Mr. Lefevre called in. That is since it has been cleaned ?-Yes. What do you know of the quarrel between
Did you go up to the ceiling, or then exa- Mr. Mylne and Mr. Smith -I remember mine it from the floor?-From the floor. hearing in the evening that Mr. Mylne and
Did you ever measure the Painted-hall, to lieutenant Smith had a quarrel ; I can only know what quantity there is of it?—No, I did speak of what I had from Mr. Smith, the next not.
morning. * Do you know, with any degree of accuracy, Were you made a lieutenant through the what work was done upon it-I conceive, a interest of the rev. Mr. Cooke?
-I fancy not; great deal.
if I had, I dare say Mr. Cooke would have Have you any foundation for that concep- told me of it; I should suppose from different tion - I have.
motives intirely; I was many years a mid What is it?-I have tried, myself, this kind shipman, though I had an exceeding good of repairing at Windsor palace, and I find a friend, one of the first men in the service, who
great deal of damages, which I am obliged to is since dead : but my father despairing of my re-paint over.
getting lieutenancy, was desired to purchase Do you know whether there was in this some votes in Huntingdon, I was not at home instance a great deal of damage?-I cannot at that time; I did not come home, I believe, tell that, as I did not go before with the eyes for near two years afterwards. of examining the work.
Whom did your father purchase those votes Do you know whether any part was painted of ?-One Collins, a contracting carpenter for over again? - It is almost impossible to tell the Hospital at Greenwich, I believe. that, when it was well done, and I think What countryman is he?
I believe an
Huntingdonshire man. * This is not a fair comparison, because Mr Whether you ever offered any living to Mr. Cipriani can earn as many guineas in a day, as the Cooke?—Entirely the reverse, if it was the person who was employed can earn half crowns. Orig. Ed.
* Here his evidence was stopt.
last words I have to say, I declare entirely the | ing against him any specific charge of misbereverse; I remember particularly well that haviour. about the middle of the year 1777, Mr. Cooke “ Under the First of these Heads, it has said he should imagine that upon such an appeared to the Committee, that five of the estate as Mr. Calcraft's, there must be an ex- present members of the council are not seaceeding good living; I said there was; he faring men, or such as have lost their limbs, said provided he could get such a living, he or been otherwise disabled in the sea service, would go and retire upon it, and said he was as required by the charter of the said Hospital. certain my lord Sandwich would place his « That besides the above-mentioned five brother in his office; I said that living he members of the council, there are twenty-one could not possibly get, for that the reversion other persons who hold offices in the said Ilosof it was given away years and years ago; it pital also contrary to the charter. was given away before Mr. Calcraft's death; “ That of the three matrons, now belongI shewed Mr. Turner the will, who could have ing to the said Hospital, two of them are neitold Mr. Cooke the same thing, and I have ther widows, nor daughters of seamen; while not the least doubt but what he told him so. the widows of captains, in the Royal Hospital,
[Mr. Lefevre withdrew.] have in vain petitioned for these appointHere the Evidence closed.
“ That there are likewise twenty-five other employments, some of them very consider
able and lucrative, which not being denomiAfter this, the Duke of Richmond made a nated offices in the house, may not fall within very long speech, in which he recapitulated the express provisions of the charter, to be the evidence which had been given, and ob- held by seataring men; but as there is no art, served upon it; and, in conclusion, moved, or skill required for them, which a man who
“ That the Committee have read the several has served at sea may not be possessed of, it papers referred to them by the House, and is contrary to the object and spirit of this inhave examined several witnesses touching the stitution, when seamen properly qualified can affairs of Greenwich Hospital.
be found, not to give them the preference “ That it appears to the Committee, that over landmen, who have no pretensions to abuses of various kinds have at different times the benefit of this naval charity. crept into the management of the said Hos- “ That the office of architect is the only pital.
one belonging to Greenwich Hospital, to “ That the Committee do not judge it ne- which it appears, that a seaman may not be cessary to trouble the House with any account competent. But it does not appear that such of those which have been corrected, or with an officer is at all necessary. When new such as are either of small importance, or works are carrying on, an eminent architect, likely to meet with redress from the present like an eminent painter, may be employed, constitution of the Hospital.
without loading the establishment with such “ But the Committee think it their duty to a permanent office, as is particularly pointed lay before the House an account of some of out in the commission, but entirely omitted the abuses which still subsist, and are worthy in the charter. It is still less necessary for the attention of parliament, especially as some the Hospital to have, as at present is estaof them appear to the Committee to have blished, two architects, Mr. Stewart and Mr. arisen from provisions introduced into the Mylne, under the different denominations of new charter, and to require such remedies as surveyor and clerk of the works. the interposition of the legislature is alone « Under the Second Head, competent to afford.
“ With respect to the court of directors, it “That the principal abuses at present ex- appears to the Committee, That a most isting, come under the two following heads : shameful abuse existed for a very consider.
“ First, The introduction of landmen, to a able time in the Hospital, by the contracting very great extent, into various departments of butcher, Mr. Peter Mellish, supplying the the government of this Naval Hospital, most poor pensioners with bull beef, and meat of of them in breach of the express provisions of the worst kind, worth only 14s. per cwt., inthe original commission, and of the present stead of the best fat ox beef, for which he existing charter.
was allowed 32s.6d. per cwt. And although “ Secondly, The refusal or neglect of re- the said Mellish was, in the year 1776, condress from the different boards in whom the victed in a court of law of this detestable management of the Hospital is placed, parti- fraud, in no less than ten instances, and was cularly in the general court, in appointing a afterwards sued for fifty other breaches of his partial and interested committee, to enquire contract, which he was suffered to compound, into the complaints of the lieutenant-governor, yet the directors, instead of marking so inthe unjustifiable conduct of that committee, famous a cheat, by excluding him from all and the illegal proceedings of the board of future dealings with the Hospital, have ever Admiralty, in removing the said lieutenant- since continued to give to the said Mellish governor from his office, without ever hearing fresh contracts for supplying the whole Hoshim in his defence, or even so much as alleg- pital with meat for a twelvemonth, under an
idea, as one of the directors deposed at the 18th of April 1778, to the said committee, bar of this House, that although a man had protested against their proceedings. been guilty of a fraud towards the Hospital, “ That notwithstanding the said protest, yet if he offered to serve for less money than the said committee met at Greenwich Hosany other person, there was an obligation upon pital, and sat seven days, but would neither the commissioners and managers of the Hos suffer captain Baillie to proceed in his own pital to employ that man so convicted.
way to prove his Case, nor enquire into any “ It also further appears,
* matters respecting complaints against either “ That the practice of chalking off (whereby * the court of directors, the general court, the money is given twice a week to the pension- governor, board of Admiralty, or first lord of ers, in lieu of meat and cheese) still continues • the Admiralty;' but confined their enquiry to subsist, notwithstanding the unanimous re- merely to such parts as respecied the officers presentation of the council on the 9th of Au- who had complained to the general court. gust, 1776, to the board of directors, That such And in the prosecution of this enquiry, the
practice is not only contrary to the establish- said committee suffered Mr. Morgan, as coun. inent, but injurious to the health and murals sel for the said officers, to direct the mode in
of the pensioners, and is attended with many which captain Baillie should proceed to make • inconveniences, improprieties, and irregula- good his charges, frequently refusing to hear • rities, and ought to be totally abolished. his witnesses.
“ With respect to the general court, and “ That no one member of the said committhe committee which they appointed, it ap- tee attended the whole seven days which it pears,
sat, but that, nevertheless, a report of their “That the foregoing, and other matters of proceedings was made to the general court, complaint, were, in the printed Case of the and signed by two of the members, who had Royal Hospital for Scamen at Greenwich, laid sat as presidents, one of whom had been prebefore the first lord of the Admiralty by cap- sent only two days out of the seven; but detain Baillie, the lieutenant-governor, and af-clared at the bar of this House, that he had terwards on the 26th of March 1778, trans- signed for the proceedings of the whole seven mitted to the secretary of the Admiralty, to days. be by him officially laid before the board, with “ That at the general court of commisa request from the said captain Baillie, that sioners and governors, held on the 12th of their lordships would be pleased to summon a August 1778, when the report of the comfull and general court of the commissioners mittee was read, captain Baillie in his letter and governors, according to the true intent of that day again protested against the proand meaning of the charter, to whom he ceedings of the said committee, as well as to most ardently wished to appeal, and prove the their being constituted of directors only, and charges therein contained; hoping that to desired that the general court would themmake such a court efficient, it might be ad- selves review the proceedings of the comvertised three times in the Gazette, as well mittee, offering immediately to produce before as summonses sent.
tbe said general court, witnesses and affidavits “ That a general court of commissioners to prove every part of his complaints. and governors of Greenwich Hospital was ac- “That at the said general court, the folcordingly called, but without such advertise- lowing Resolutions were moved and agreed ments or general summonses, and sat at the to, viz. “That the several charges contained Admiralty on the 14th of April 1778. At in captain Baillie's book, which have been this court it was resolved, that sir Merrick examined into by the committee appointed Burrell, Mr. Cust, Mr. Savary, Mr. Barker, for that purpose, appear generally malicious Mr. Wells, Mr. James, Mr. Reynolds, should and void of foundation, and tending to disbe a committee (of whom three to be a turb the peace and good government of the quorum) to investigate the grounds of the Hospital; and that a copy of the report of several charges contained in the above- ‘ the said committee be, therefore, laid befure
mentioned book; and they were desired to “the lords commissioners of the Admiralty; • proceed upon that business with all conve- and that it be submitted to their lordships
nient dispatch, at such times and places as whether for the better government of the • they should think most proper for the pur- Hospital, it may not be advisable to remove
pose; and when they had completed such • the said captain Baillie from his employ• investigation, to let the lords of the Admi- 'ments of lieutenant-governor, and one of the • ralty know it, that another general court directors thereof.' • might be called to receive the report.'
“ With respect to the Board of Admiralty, “ That captain Baillie objected to the com- | it appears, mittee, as composed of directors, persons « That on the 12th of Augast 1778, the against whom hís complaints chiefly lay. same day on which the lords of the Admiralty
«. That notwithstanding his objections, the received from the general court the report of said general court appointed the said com- the committee, and their advice to remove mittee, consisting of the seven persons above-captain Baillie, their lordships immediately named, who are all of them directors. resolve • That directions should be forth
“ That captain Baillie in his letter of the with given to sir Charles Hardy, governor of
• the said Hospital, to cause captain Baillie to seems to have been the main object of the
be suspended from his employments, both charter obtained in 1775, appears to the 'as lieutenant-governor and director, and one committee to be prejudicial to the good
of the council of Greenwich Hospital, till government of the said Hospital, in as much . further order.
as it creates a sort of mutual interest and con“ That the said captain Baillie requested, nection between those who ought to be kept by letter of the 14th of August, 1778, entirely separate and distinct, the executive Mr. Stephens, ' to move the lords of the officers of the Ilospital, and those who should
Admiralty, to direct that he might be fur- superintend that execution, in order to come 'nished with a copy of the order by which at abuses when they exist. he was suspended, but could never obtain “ That the said charter also varies from the the same.
original commission in other, and no less maThat captain Baillie in his letter of the terial circumstances, both of insertion and of 1st Dec. 1778, to the lords of the Admiralty, omission. New powers susceptible of abuse entreated to be restored to his station in the are inserted, and the old provisions prohibitsaid Hospital.
ing of abuse are omitted; two circumstances, " That captain Baillie, in his letter of the which combined, appear to this committee of 8th Dec. 1778, to Mr. Stephens, 'requested a very suspicious nature. The clause added ' that the lords of the Admiralty, or general being the creation of a power to sell, alienate court, would give directions that he might and exchange the estates and effects of the have a true copy of the report made at the Hospital, and the clause omitted being a strict general court on the 12th of August by the charge, command, injunction and requisition, committee of enquiry,' but was refused the that none of the said estates or effects should
be diverted, used, or applied, or be in any “ That on the 25th Dec. 1778, the lords ways applicable to any use or purpose
whatcommissioners of the Admiralty resolved, soever, other than the charitable purposes of * That the said captain Baillie, for his miss the said Ilospital, or to detray the necessary
behaviour, as stated in the report before charges relating thereunto. * mentioned, he removed from the offices of “ The committee see no necessity for these
lieutenant-governor, one of the directors, alterations, and are of opinion that it is better, • and one of the council of Greenwich Hos- when any material changes in the property of 'pital,
the Hospital are intended, to have recourse to “ That captain Baillie applied for a copy of parliament for an act for such particular purthe order for his removal, in his letter of the pose, as was lately the case in an exchange of 30th of January, but could not obtain the lands between the duke of Northumberland same.
and Greenwich Hospital. “ That it does not appear that the said cap- “ That in order to remedy the abuses betain Baillie ever was called, or appeared before-mentioned, to confine this great naval fore the said board of Admiralty, or was ever foundation to the sole object for which it was heard before the said board, touching his com- first instituted, the benefit of sea-faring men, plaints, or those made against him.
and to restore the spirit of the original com“ That it appears to this committee, that mission, from which the charter has essenthe words of the charter by authorizing and tially deviated, the judges be directed to preimpowering the board of Admiralty to dis- pare a Bill for rescinding the charter for inplace, move, or suspend, any officer for his corporating the commissioners and governors misbehaviour,' the said board could not le- of the Royal Hospital for seamen at Greengally suspend, or remove the said captain wich, bearing date the 6th of December, Baillie from the offices of lieutenant-governor, 1775, and for substituting a new charter in one of the directors, and one of the council of lieu thereof, restoring to the general court of Greenwich Isospital, without imputing to him commissioners and governors the power of some specific charge of misbehaviour, and recommending to the board of Admiralty all hearing him in his defence, neither of which • officers necessary to be employed in and for necessary steps the said board appear to have 'the said Hospital, with directions to the taken on the present occasion.
• board of Admiralty to employ all such offi“ That besides what has already been men- cers, accordingly, except the governor and tioned, under the two heads of the introduc- • treasurer of the said Ilospital, with express tion of landmen, and the misconduct of the provisions, that all such persons to be so reseveral boards concerned in the management "commended, and admitted into the said Hosof Greenwich Hospital, the committee bave pital, as officers of the house, or otherwise, to observe, on the alterations which have been be seafaring men, or such who shall have made in the charter from the original com- lost their limbs, or been otherwise disabled mission, transferring to the board of Admi- in the sea service, as was directed by his ralty the disposal of all employments held Majesty's commission, of the 28th of May, under the Hospital, the recommendation of 1763. which was by the commission placed in the “ That if any exceptions to this general rule general court of commissioners. This great shall appear necessary, the same may be speincrease of patronage to the Admiralty, which cified in the said Bill. VOL. XXI.
“ That no person shall be deemed a sea- After which, it was resolved, faring man, and, as such, capable of being 1. “ That nothing hath appeared in the appointed an officer of the house, or of being course of this enquiry, which calls for any inlodged in Greenwich Hospital, unless such terposition of the legislature, with regard to person shall have, bona fide, served four years the management of Greenwich Hospital
, or at sea, or shall have been disabled in the sea which makes the same necessary or proper. service.
2. “That the Book which was referred to “That all women employed in the Hos- this Committee, intitled, “The Case of the pital, as matrons, nurses, or otherwise, be Royal Hospital for Seamen at Greenwich, widows of seamen.
contains a groundless and malicious represen“ That none but such persons as have tation of the conduct of the earl of Sandwich, served as officers in the royal navy be mem- and others, the commissioners, directors, and bers of the council.
officers of Greenwich Hospital, with regard to “ That the general court shall meet once the management thereof. in every month, or oftener, if there should be
3. “ That it has appeared to this Commitoccasion.
tee, that the revenues of Greenwich Hospital “ That the commissioners and governors have been considerably increased, the buildshall in future consist of all the flag officers of ings much enlarged, and rendered more comhis Majesty's fleet, and none other.
modious, and the number of pensioners greatly “ That a certain number of the said fiag augmented, during the time in which the earl officers shall attend by rotation, whilst they of Sandwich has been the first lord of the Adremain on shore. “ That all vacancies shall be recommended great attention and impartiality in forwarding
miralty, who has, upon all occasions, shewn to be filled up by such of the members as shall the true end of that noble foundation." attend the said general courts. “ That two of the flag officers, the
On June 14th, the duke of Richmond
governor, the lieutenant-governor, treasurer, auditor, moved, that the proceedings of the comand senior captain, be a court of directors, printed. This motion was, after a debate
mittee, together with the evidence, should be for the purposes expressed in the late commission.
jected : Contents 18; Not-Contents 43. “ That the board of Admiralty shall, at all
For a fuller account of the debates in the times, have the inspection of the books con- House of Lords, see New Parl. Hist. vol. 20, taining the proceedings of the general court, p. 475. court of directors and council, and shall retain the power given them by the charter, to In the preceding report of the proceedings displace, move, or suspend any officer, or offi- in the House of Lords, I have suffered to recers of the said Hospital, for his or their mis- main several ungrammatical expressions which behaviour, not excepting the governor or treasurer.
occur in the original publication. Capt. Bail“ That, in consideration of captain Baillie's lie in his “Solemn Appeal,' inserted some corhaving been illegally removed from the office, respondence and other matter, which, though by the board of Admiralty, and of the zeal he perhaps highly interesting to his irritated has uniformly shewn in the course of 11 that he has been in the said Hospital, it is re
feelings at the time, form no part of the two commended to the House to address his Ma- Cases reported, and appear not to me to be jesty, to confer on captain Baillie some mark immediately connected with them. I have of his royal favour."
therefore forborne to enlarge the bulk of the After a debate, the House divided on the preceding voluminous report by the introducmotion; Contents 25; Not-Contents 67. tion of those particulars.