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clay. To this crevice many of the country people serving the old name, should have handed down say our Saviour fled from the persecutions of ile the name of Fountaine, Clent, Price, or Fountains Jews. Others deem it more likely that St. Gawen, Price. In every county, the natives generally influenced by religious mortifications, squeezed believe that such families are of the old male blood. bimself daily into it, as a penance for his transgres. I am not aware whether the Americans ever sions, until at length the print of the ribs became adopt this false system (probably not); but they impressed on the rock. Here the pilgrim, stand- some years since passed an admirable law that no ing upon a stone rendered smooth by the operation firm should trade with the name of extinct partof the feet, is to turn round nine times and wish ners.
Different families having taken the same according to his fancy. If the saint be propitious, title, is much less confusing; though many readers the wisho will be duly gratified within a year, a probably imagine every Earl of Northumberland month, and a day. Another marvellous quality of to have been a Percy, and would be surprised to the fissure is, that it will receive the largest man, hear that the present Duke is not a male Percy. and be only just of sufficient size to receive the
A. C. smallest. 'Í'lis may be accounted for by its peculiar shape. Perhaps you may deem the above
Minor Notes. worthy of insertion in “ N. & Q.,” and it may in.
Chronogram at Winchester Cathedral (Vol. v., terest your correspondent Mr. ROBERT Rawlin
p. 585.). - Your correspondent W. A. J. may be
Robert J. Allen. gratitied by becoming acquainted with another Bosherston, Pembroke.
chronogram existing in Winchester Cathedral, being an adaptation of a well-known and beautiful
passage of Scripture, recording the date and cirSurely in a country like this, where such regard cumstances of the construction of the roof on is paid to male descent, and where the use and which it is inscribed, viz. that which conceals the advantage of hereditary names has been so long old lantern tower from the choir. It is to this understood, the custom of assuming, and leaving
effect :posterity with, the name of a family extinct in the
"Pli REGES NVTR:TI! REGINÆ NVTRICES PIÆ male line is a great mistake, and leads to much
SNT DOMVS HVIVS." error and confusion : much greater is that of con- And gives the date 1635 thus : tinuing the name of a family from whom the
M 1000 assumer does not even descend'in the female line?
D If Burke's Peerage is correct, perhaps no greater. instance can be pointed out than the name of
VVVVV Wellesley ; for though at foot of his account of
1 ເTTກາ Mornington he calls this family “the Marquis's
1635 maternal family," yet, from the pedigrec, it is clear that he does not descend from them.
G. H. Now, if I do not misunderstand Burke, and if Cardinals in England. — “ Master Hugh Lati(as I presume will be the case) Alison's Ilistory of mer” observes in his second sermon before King Europe will be the study of future ages, what will Edward VI., in reference to Cardinal Beaufort, readers believe from the following (chap. xlix. 1.)? “These Romish bats never brought good into " The Wellesleys were an old Saxon family long England.”
W. H. L. settled in Sussex, and the ancestor of the Irish branch Robin Hood.-In Latimer's sixth sermon before had come over with Hen. II. in 1172, &c.
Edward VI., Latimer tells a story about wishing Wellington's elder brother, &c. &c. . . . . So that one
to preach at a country church, when he found the family enjoyed the rare felicity of giving birth, &c."
door locked, and the people gone abroad to gather The natural desire of preserving an old name for Robin Hood. He then adds, “ Under the preand old arms, might casily be gratified, without tence of gathering for Robin Hood, a traitor and flying false colours. Thus, in the case noticed, a thief, to put out a preacher." This may corroRichard Colley, instead of assuming “Wesley," borate Mr. Ilunter's view of that renowned percould have called himself “ Richard Wesley Col- sonage.
W. II. L. ley;" and liis descendants liare become “ Wesley Colley." So the Pagets should be “ Paget Bayly;" the Pakington's " Pakington Russell." One of
Queries. my noted instances appears under “ Fountaine :'
A RIDDLE. bere an heiress marries a Clent, their heiress mar- Having en a former occasion received in your ries a Price, their heir assumes surname and arıns pages a satisfactory solution of a Query I forof Fountaine. Now, according to my suggestion warded to you, l' am induced to send you the (and common sense), the latter, if desirous of pre- following:
I have in my library a folio copy of the Historie pursue his studies in that celebrated school. of the Church, by the famous and worthy Preacher À MS. copy of this version (which has never of God's word, Master Patrick Symson, late been printed), with a commentary, is in the Minister of Stirling in Scotland, 1634.". This Vatican Library. As Serravalle lived in the book has formerly been possessed by two individuals century in which Dante died, he might have heard who have read it with great care, as is evident from some contemporary that Dante had been from the numerous annotations with which the at Oxford ; and in fact, Tiraboschi says it was at margin and blank pages are filled. The writers of the request of Cardinal Amadeo di Saluzzo, and these notes seem, from the character of the hand. two English bishops, Nicholas Bubwich, bishop writing, to have lived, the former about 1650, the of Bath, and Robert Halm, bishop of Salisbury, other a hundred years later. The notes them- who were at the Council of Constance with Serraselves, though generally short, display a very com- valle, that he undertook the translation, and afterpetent knowledge of classical learning; quota- wards wrote a commentary upon Dante. It is not tions from Virgil
, Horace, Juvenal, &c. being improbable that these English bishops knew that frequent: but they are chiefly remarkable for Dante had studied at Oxford, and communicated their anti-papistical and anti-prelatical spirit, the fact to their fellow-bishop at the Council. which would satisfy the most devoted adherent of Boccaccio, in the Latin poem which he sent to Exeter Hall theology. But among all this abuse Petrarch, when he presented that poet with a copy of Popes and Bishops there occurs, singularly of the Divina Commedia, states that Dante visited enough, the following “Riddle,” copied, as I con- Britain. Tiraboschi mentions the statement of ceive, from some well-known work then in vogue. Serravalle, as deserving of being recorded, but The Riddle bears the date “ Sept. ye 30. 1744:" seems to doubt the sufficiency of his evidence. “ Before creating Nature willid
Dante certainly studied at Paris; and to a mind That attoms into form should jar,
so eager in the pursuit of all the divine and human The boundless space by me was fillid,
knowledge of his time, it seems natural that he On me was built ye first made star.
should have been desirous of visiting the great For me a Saint will break his word,
rival of Paris, the University of Oxford, then so By ye proud Atheist I am rever'd,
renowned through the fame of Roger Bacon and At me the Coward draws his sword,
Duns Scotus, not to mention a host of other names, And by the Hero I am fear'd. of lesser but enduring celebrity.
And yet by every block head known,
At what period was a regular system of tra-
velling by public vehicles first established beHeard by yo deaf, seen by ye blind,
tween London and the provinces ? when did And to the troubled Conscience rest.
such vehicles first obtain the popular denominaThe King, God bless him, as 'tis said,
tion of stage-coach ? and when did the practice of Is seldom with me in a passion,
placing the luggage on the roof, instead of in a Tho' him I often can persuade
basket fastened behind, commence? The incon. To act against his inclination.
venience and delay of the latter system gave rise Deform'd as vice, as virtue fair,
to a well-known saying: “If the coach starts at The Courtier's loss, the Patriot's gains,
six, when starts the basket ? " The Poet's purse, the Coxcomb's care,
Beckman's History of Inventions, vol. i. p. 81., Read, you'll have me for your pains."
edition 1846, gives a detailed history of backney The answer, which is plain enough, is then carriages, fiacres, berlins, and cabriolets; but bis given in Greek thus, oudève My Query is, who is work has no particulars relative to the establishthe author of the foregoing? I am strongly im- ment of public vehicles between the metropolis and pressed that I have seen the riddle before, for its the country. language seems familiar to my mind, but I cannot The term coach appears to be of modern date. recall where. Perhaps some of your correspon- In the Hereford Journal of January, 1775, I find dents will kindly inform me.
R. Br. two advertisements from which it appears that Ashington Rectory, Sussex.
stages were then known as machines, which did not ply, but fly on their journeys. If we consider the
state of the roads, the size of the vehicles, and the WAS DANTE EVER AT OXFORD ?
pace at which they travelled, the word flying (lucus
a non lucendo) seems singularly inappropriate. Giovanni di Serravalle, prince and bishop of When travelling by coaches had reached a state Fermo says, in his Latin version of the Divina of perfection, proprietors modestly announced their Commedia, that Dante went also to Oxford, to vehicles to run.
1775, Jan. 12:
Dictionary of Proper Names. - I should much “ HEREFORD MACHINE,
desire to obtain through your columns some inIn a day and half, twice a week, continues flying formation as to whether or not there are any dicfrom the Swan and Falcon in Hereford, Monday and tionaries exclusively of proper names.
R.C. B. Thursday mornings, and from the Bolt in Tun, Monday and Thursday evenings. — Fare 19 shillings: outsides, give me the literal reading of the following inscrip
Inscription on a Bell.—Will any of your readers half.”
tion, which I copied from an old bell some years 1775, Jan. 5:
“ For the conveniency of sending presents at this Henrick*TER* Horst* Me* Fecit* Daveutice*1654." season of the year, and for the quick conveyance of Passengers to and from London,
D. H. E. Pruex's MACHINE
Benjamin Lincoln of Massachusetts. — Possibly will begin flying as follows:
some of the American correspondents of “ N. &Q." HEREFORD MACHINE,
can inform me if Benjamin Lincoln, of MassachuIn a day and half, twice a week, sets out from the setts, who was appointed a Major-General in the Redstreak-tree Inn in Hereford, Tuesday and Thurs. American army in 1777, was descended from a day mornings at 7 o'clock; and from the Swan with family named Lincoln, which was resident in North Two Necks, Lad Lane, London, every Monday and Lincolnsbire as early as 1461, and as late as 1651. Wednesday evenings. Insides, £1 ; outsides, half
EDWARD Peacock, Jun. price."
Bottesford Moors, Kirton in Lindsey. In 1778 a similar vehicle is styled the diligence :
Gregorian Chants.-Can any of your correspon“ HEREFORD DILIGENCE
dents give a real satisfactory answer to the ques3 times a week,
tion, What is a Gregorian chant ? Now-a-days Leaves at 7 in the morning ; reaches London next day we are pepetually hearing them talked off, played, to dinner time.
chanted, but no one seems to know what they are, Fares: £1 12s., with 10 lbs. of luggage." or whence they come. The most definite idea
W. H. C. any one seems to have is, that they formed portions
of the liturgy of Gregory the Great: but did he
compose them? or did he only arrange them ? Minar Queries.
Is there any ground for thinking they were known Rev. Thomas Watson, of St. Stephen's, Walbrook, to the Jews, and that they are amongst the good London. The advertisement to the edition of the things we have inherited' from them? or is the Body of Divinity of this divine (London, printed glorious and heavenly beauty" of their harmonies for Thomas Parkhurst, at the Bible and Three
“the gift of God” to the Christian Church ? Crowns, Cheapside, near Mercers' Chapel, 1692),
What were the seven tones which are said to be occurs the following passage :
original number? “ There are many single sermons on a variety of would require too long an answer for your pages,
If I am asking too many questions, or such as occasions, as at fasts, thanksgivings, sacrament discourses, besides several subjects handled in many ser
and there exists any book which would satisfy me, mons on each text of Scripture, left under Mr. Thomas I should be glad to hear of it; for what I want is Watson's own handwriting: if these find acceptance, to know all there is known about them, their ori. in due time (after their being perused by some learned gin, their history, their laws.
t. divine) they may be published.”
Papworth St. Agnes. Can any of the readers of “N. & Q." inform me if these MSS. be still in existence? and, if so, where
Dress of the Clergy.–Pray, what was the usual are they? or if any of them have been printed ? dress of our clergy, (before the Reformation), when Also, where can copies be seen, if not purchased, they preached, and in their ordinary occupations ? of the treatises by this divine enumerated among
From Erasmus we learn that Dr. Colet wore black the “Books Wanted” of No. 143. Nortoman. gowns, though clergy of his rank generally wore Was West the first pre-Raphaelite ? — Can any Rome the preachers always wear black, which
purpura, which probably means scarlet ; and in of your contributors inform me whether there is evidently did not come from Geneva. any truth in the story, that Benjamin West plucked
J. BEATELEY. up a pre-Raphaelitish spirit, and determined to paint one of his historical pictures (I have heard, Arrangement of Shakspeare's Plays. — Is there the Death of Wolfe) with the figures in their pro- any reason why the plays Of Shakspeare are arper costume, and not as ancient Romans, and that ranged as they appear to have been, ever since he was the first heretic in this direction of the the publication of the first folio? The division English painters ?
C. G. Smalt. then adopted, into comedies, histories, and tre
gedies, is well to be understood ; but it is the Adeliza, married to Odo, Earl of Champagne (who order in which the several plays are arranged was created Earl of Albemarle by his brother-inunder those heads which I cannot understand. law-uterine, and died 1096), and she, with her For instance, the comedies begin with the Tempest, brothers, Robert, Earl of Mortaigne, and Odo, the which was the last play written by bim, namely in celebrated Bishop of Bayeux, I have always con1612; while among the tragedies nearly the last sidered the sole issue of the Conqueror's mother, is Titus Andronicus, his first, 1588 (if his at all). Arlotta of Falaise, by her busband Odo de Con. I have examined all the five first folios (including teville, a Norman knight. Williain I. was only the two-thirds), and find the order in each the child, and that illegitimate, of Duke Robert of same, except that the first does not contain Troilus Normandy, consequently this other sister, with her and Cressida, which in the second comes in be- descendants, Earls of Chester, has always puzzled tween Henry the Eighth and Coriolanus.
me, and as unfortunately I have not Dugdale, or
E. N. W. similar works to refer to here, I now throw inySouthwark.
self on your mercy, and trust that some of your
antiquarian subscribers may enlighten my ig“Sic transit gloria mundi.”—Can any one tell
A.S. A. me from whence this phrase is derived ? R. H.
Wazzeerabad. “ Jack.” — It has probably occurred to many of your readers that the nickname of Jack, as ap- in June, 1559.
English Bishops deprived by Queen Elizabeth, plied to John, is peculiarly inappropriate; the
Can any of your ecclesiastica term of course is an abbreviation of the French readers furnish me with the date and place of Jaques. Can any one inform me at what period, death, also age if known, and any other brief and for what reasons, the name of Jack was trans notices, of the following prelates, who were de ferred from James to John
prived of their sees for refusing to take the “oath
of supremacy to Queen Elizabeth : viz. John Celebrated Trees.
White, Bishop of Winchester; Owen Oglethorpe, “ Henry VIII. went out with his hounds, and break. Bishop of Carlisle; Cuthbert Scott, Bishop of Chesfasted under a great tree in Epping Forest the very day ter; James Turberville, Bishop of Exeter; Thomas his once-loved wife (Anne Boleyn) was to perish in the Reynolds, Bishop elect of Hereford ; Ralph Bayne, Tower."-Fisher's Companion to History of England. Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry; Francis Mallet, Is this tree known to exist at the present time? Bishop elect of Salisbury; Thomas Goldwell, Bi
F. B. Relton. shop of St. Asaph ; Henry Morgan, Bishop of St.
Davids; and Richard Pate, Bishop of Worcester? Wickliffe MSS. - Dugdale says that Francis, fourth Earl of Bedford, bequeathed to the “ Lord but should like to obtain further information as to
Of the following I possess some scanty notitia, Burleigh, high treasurer of England, all leis ancient their place of death, age, and exact date of month MSS. of Wickliffe's works." Are these MSS. in even) of Archbishop Heath of York, and Bishops existence ?
Buurne of Bath and Wells, Pole of Peterborough, Moroni's Portrait of Mary Queen of Scots.- and Watson of Lincoln. Regarding the last, i Can any of your correspondents inform me what have both 1582 and 1584 as date of death, the is become of the beautiful full-length portrait of place Wisbech Castle, Cambridgeshire, and he is Mary Queen of Scots, painted by Moroni just pre- called “ the last of the diocesan Catholic bishops in vious to her marriage with the Dauphin ? “ As England;" yet I find Bishop Thomas Goldwell of Moroni was a friend of Titian's, and as that great St. Asaph mentioned in 1584 as being then alive artist was in the habit of sending his supernumerary
at Rome, and “
Suffragan to Cardinal Savelli, sitters to him, it is probably a very superior work Vicegerent of Rome,” under Pope Gregory XIII. of art. About thirty years since I believe it was Perhaps both these bishops, Watson and Goldwell, in Paris, and was said to have been stolen, during died in the same year, 1584. The latter is also the Revolution, from the Trianon. ÆGROTUS. mentioned as having been present at the Council
of Trent, among the “ Bishops of Pope Paul IV. ;" Hugh Lupus, Earl of Chester, 1070-1101.- and in the records of that council lic is styled, This earl is called nephew of William I. (by whom " Th. Goduellus : anglus : episc : Asaphen," being he was created earl), and his sister Maude de the only English prelate present there, with the Abrincis, who married Ralf de_Mischines, was exception of Cardinal Reginald Pole. A. S. A. mother to Ranulph, afterwards Earl of Chester, 1119–28. I wish to ascertain who Ralf de Mes
Wazzecrabad. chines was, and also through what sister Hugh and English Bishops deprived, Feb. 1. 1691. — SiMaud were nephew and niece to the Conqueror. milar information regarding Bishops Ken of Bath 'The exact relationship is not given in any work ! and Wells, Turner of Ely, Frampton of Gloucester,
had access to; and the only sister recorded is Lloyd of Norwich, and White of Peterborough?
This is doubtless information easily procurable; but Conspicit urbem." — Can any of your corre-
A. S. A.
Divitiis, opibus, ct festa pace revirens;
Vixque tenet lacrymas, quia nil lacrymabile videt.” nealogical readers may be able to supply inform
I give it as it was very happily quoted in a coloation respecting William Stafford, Esq., who mar
nial legislature, by a well read man *, who was, ried Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Richard Guldeford, however, ignorant where it came from. It cannot K. G., of Kent, and widow of Thomas Isley, Esq., be quite correct, as the prosody is faulty. S. N. of the same county. The third husband of this [The passage occurs Ovid, Metamorph., lib. ii. lady was Sir Richard Shirley, of Sussex. Thomas v. 794. : Isley died 8th February, 1518, but when Stafford
“ Conspicit arcem, and Shirley, I am unable to say,
Ingeniis, opibusque, et festa pace virentem :
Visque tenet lacrymas : quia nil lacrymabile cernit."] 25th September, 1 Henry VII. 1485, was appointed by patent keeper of the exchange within the book on natural history from which I could make
Old English Names of Flowers. —Is there any and silver within the said Tower, and elsewhere myself acquainted with the old familiar English within the realm of England. (Vide Harl. MS.
names of plants and wild flowers ? C. G. S. 698. f. 70.)
[The names will be found in any of the old Herbals: Agnes, daughter of the above Thomas and Eliza- but, perhaps, the best to consult is, The Herbal of beth Isley, married to her second husband Sir William Turner, in Three Parts, lately gathered, and now Francis Sydney, Lieutenant of the Tower, and a
set oute with the names of the Herbes, in Greek, Latin, younger son of Nicholas Sydney, Esq., ancestor of English, Dutch, French, and in the Apothecaries and the Sydneys of Penshurst. Can any one inform
Herbaries Latin, with the Properties, Degrees, and me when he died ? G. STEINMAN STEINMAN.
habitual Places of the same. Collen, 1568. fol.) Sinking Fund.
Meaning of Slype. - I shall be glad if any of “ Hence the sinking fund has been a costly, as well
your correspondents can inform me of the meaning as a most delusive, piece of quackery. The loss it
of the terni slype, applied to a passage pierced entailed on the country during the war has been esti- through the buttress at the S. W.corner of the materl, apparently on reasonable grounds, at above south aisle of Winchester Cathedral; and also of 600,0001.”—M.Culloch, Brit. Empire, ii. 427.
the real purport of an inscription on one of the “ In 1813 it was producing more than half the in
walls of the “slype" to this effect: terest of the debt, and, if it had been let alone, would have extinguished the whole debt existing at the end
QVA FAS. 1632. of the war, before the year 1840."— Alison's History of Europe, chap. xxxvi. 93. I Will some correspondent inform me which of these stated facts is truc?
The popular account refers it to a time antecedent Minor Queries Answered.
to the piercing of the buttress, when the road to
the market-place lay through the nave of the ca“ The Boil'd Pig."—Was the poem called “The thedral. The difficulty consists in its application Boil'd Pig" ever printed, and who was the author to such a state of things. Could it be referred to of it? It used to be recited as a speech at Harrow the same date as the cutting of the “slype," it School, half a century ago.
G. H. [This poem, we believe, was privately printed about
[Britton, in his Architectural Dictionary, says, thirty years ago, by Thomas Jonathan Wooler, the
Slyp is a passage between two walls." Milner states, editor of the Black Dwarf, in a small collection of
that "in 1632, when Curle was bishop of Winchester, poems for distribution among his friends.]
it being judged indecent that the church should be left Stone Coffins.—Where can I obtain information open as a common thoroughfare into the close and the as to the history of stone coffins ? Is there any Slype was opened, where certain houses had stood, and
southern suburbs of the city, the passage called the work on the subject ?
. 1 [Consult Gough's Sepulchral Monum ents in Great Britain, Part I.; also the Indices to the Archæologia, * Sir H. E. F. Young, now Governor of South for various papers on this subject. ]
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