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making this clear, as MR. MACDONAGH states the visit of the Attorney-General, and Mr. they do, the official documents can be referred Wickham's reply, given at 10th S. iii. 303, and to in the opposite sense.
preserved with Major Sirr's papers in T.C.D. Mr. Wickham's letter of 28 August, 1803, Library. states, “The only evidence which could at As the outcome of the Lord Lieutenant's present be produced against him [Emmet] is decision that no action should be taken what follows" (the italics are in the book), against Miss Curran, Mr. Wickham added (to but there is not a single word in reference to the Home Secretary) :documentary evidence which could not be
“The Lord Lieutenant particularly requests that produced ; and I am pot surprised that other Miss Curran's name may not be mentioned. It is official letters contain no reference to the difficult that it should be long concealed, but it is correspondence between Miss Curran and desirable that it should not be first mentioned by Emmet. It was unnecessary to refer to it, any member of Government in either country." as it was unnecessary to produce it.
MR. MACDONAGH writes :The Chief Secretary (Mr. Wickham) writes “Chief Secretary Wickham, writing to Pole to Curran :
Carew of the Home Office about the trial (of “ The Lord Lieutenant is obliged to direct that a
Emmet), says Mr. Yorke will have observed that search should be made in your house for papers such parts of the young lady's letter found upon
the Attorney-General, when he gave in evidence connected with the late treasonable conspiracy. Emmet as it was found necessary to produce, stated The Lord Lieutenant is persuaded they have been boldly that the letter from which the extracts was concealed there without your knowledge, but it is made had been written by a brother conspirator. not the less necessary that the search should be Unfortunately, a barrister of the name of Huband, made with the utmost exactness. As the circum- who is said to have paid his addresses formerly to stances which lead to this investigation particularly the young lady, recognized the handwriting when affect Miss Sarah Curran, it will be necessary that the letter was laid on the table.”-P.398: the italics she should be immediately examined.”
are in the book. Mr. Wickham (9 September, 1803) informed I do not think it can be made clearer the Home Secretary of Major Sirr's report on from the official documents given by MR. Miss Curran's state of mind :
MacDonagh why the correspondence be“Unfortunately, Mr. Curran was not at home, and tween Miss Sarah Curran and Robert Emmet still more unfortunately the young lady was not up, which was in Major Sirr's keeping was not though the rest of the family (two other daughters requisitioned or mentioned, and there is the and a son) were assenbled at breakfast, so that the major entered the room where she was still in bed. best of evidence in support of Dr. Sirr's This circumstance occasioned a scene of great contestimony as to the great tenderness with fusion and distress, and was nlso productive of which Miss Curran was treated. This young some inconvenience, for whilst the major and the lady unquestionably had much on her mind. other daughter were giving assistance to Mr. Even so, I think she was not particularly Emmet's correspondent - who was thrown into violent convulsions—the eldest Miss Curran con strong. We learn of her violent convulsions, tinued to destroy some papers, the few scraps of and I believe MR. MacDONAGH states that which that were saved are in Mr. Emmet's hand she lost her reason for a while. She died in writing."
1808; The Gentleman's Magazine states in & In his book MR. MACDONAGH ungrudg: rapid decline, while it is popularly thought she ipgly refers to Major Sirr as "a capable and died of a broken heart. Possibly she altered daring officer." I do not suppose the search her views (which no doubt had been in. was made but with “utmost exactness." | fluenced by exaggerated presentments in Mr. Wickham does not mention with what print of the revolutionary doctrines preached result. MR. MACDONAGH remarks, however, in France) when she married an army officer. that Major Sirr's report "states" that Sarah However this may be, Dr. Sirr merely made Curran's
a brief note; but he suggested her mind was “brother and sister succeeded in burning, in the not strong when she was under Emmet's breakfast-room downstairs, whatever compromising influence, and I think the fact of her violent documents were in the house, and that therefore convulsions and subsequent loss of reason is no papers fell into his hands."
not incompatible with his wording. Presuming the report really states this, I judge from their long letters printed in and if MR. MACDONAGH can show that it was the book that both Miss Curran and Robert only in this house and at this visit that Emmet wrote with ease (Emmet was quite correspondence could have been found, then proficient in the art of disguising his handit must be that the report was immediately writing), and without doubt they had much sent off, before the full search was conducted time on their hands. (But I should like to see the report, for other I have received a sympathetic letter with reasons already stated.) The Major awaited reference to Dr. Sirr and implications about
him in this discussion ; but in conclusion my paper, exposing their intentions, &c., under thecorrespondent writes :
signature of Whipcord.-J. D. Sirr.' “In any case J. D. S.'s note stands. I suppose
Note re an anonymous letter to Major Sirr.– he may have been mistaken in thinking that the
Anonymous threatening letter, of which he reEmmet-Curran letters formed the whole of the pile
ceived many. he saw burnt-perhaps they were contained in it Note re a letter from Sir *** to Major Sirr (circaalong with papers which for some reason were also 15 May, 1815).—“Sir ***, Bart., unfortunately was being burnt. But the substance of his note would not always sober, or always in his senses. At other remain, and must still be accounted for."
periods he was as affecte and confiding towards my I would merely add that I have not said father as he was now unreasonable and absurd.
J. D. S." anything insisting upon the note being
Note re a letter from Lord Dufferin to Major Sirr, received pedantically. What I have been 26 Aug., 1821. -"This was a most extraordinary insistent upon is that canons of modern exhibition to put up in Donnybrook Fair. It was historical criticism should be applied, and it at the period of His Majesty's visit there. Removed seems to me that the note would stand the by Police to Head police office, as calculated to distests of historians acknowledged to be im- turb the public tranquillity.” partial; though, unless for the purpose of
Note re combination against paying tithes.—Major Þelping to bear out other evidenco as to the the clerks (this is the gist of the note, I believe?:
Sirr sent down by Govt., accompanied by one of leniency of Government, I do not suppose “A poor man who attended market was waylaid it would be brought forward.
and beat, being mistaken for Cox, who took a conI fear that it may be inferred from FRAN- trary road honie in the evening after a walk." CESCA's remarks that Dr. Sirr's notes are the Besides, there are the notes to Mr. Wick
general expression of his own opinions, as ham's letter_re the correspondence of Miss e though he claimed to be a judge of Irish Curran and Emmet and to a communication
history at the time of the rebellion of 1798 re O'Brien. I believe these are all, but am and the insurrection of 1803, and of the not absolutely positive.
H. SIRR. characters of some individuals concerned. I give copies of all the notes, and I think
THE CLOISTER AND THE HEARTH '(10th S. it will be admitted they appear to be the out- iv249).-- The account of the German inn come of a natural instinct to record facts or (chap. xxiv. pp. 132 sqq. in Chatto & Windus's circumstances which were impressed on his “fine-paper edition," 1900) and that of the memory. The 'D.N.B.' shows he did not Burgundian inn in chap. xxxiii. should be discover the papers until after his father's closely compared with Erasmus's colloquy death. Curran must then have been dead a
• Diversoria. It will be found that Charles quarter of a century (and many, if not all, Reade was indebted to this in many points. of Miss Sarah Curran's immediate relatives
The shipwreck in chap. lvii. is largely probably were dead also). Be that as it may,
based on Erasmus's 'Naufragium.' There there was no likelihood of relatives of Miss are various isolated touches in Reade's book - Curran or of Emmet seeing the note as to for which he seems to have dra vn on the the correspondence.
Colloquiæ,'e.g. cf. p. 634, chap. Ixxxiv., with When Dr. Sirr ultimately decided that the 'Adolescens et Scortum.' papers should go to Trinity College, Dublin,
It is tempting to indicate the novelist's they were delivered over as he had arranged gains from other sources, such as Shakethem. Though the authorities of the College speare's comedies and Coryat's Crudities,” at first kept them very guardedly, Sir John but that would be passing beyond the immeGray and Mr. Madden had access to them.
diate subject of the query. I believe Dr. Sirr's note about Miss
EDWARD BENSLY. Curran's and Emmet's correspondence never
Aldeburgh. appeared in print until I sent it to ‘N. & Q:' Some of the material on which Charles Dr. Sirr cannot be held to have carefully Reade so admirably wrought came from the defeated his father's humane intentions, as Colloquies' of Erasmus.
St. SWITHIN. FRANCESCA suggests. Even if he gave a
second thought about the notes, he could not have 'Don QUIXOTE,' 1595-6 (10th S. iv. 107, 158). erased them, I believe, without mutilating -Surely the title alone of the volumes is the letters or the album.
sufficient to show that they are not of the Copies of Dr. Siry's Notes.
dates mentioned, as it is in French instead
of Spanish. The information given on p. 107 Note re letter of Mr. Secretary Cooke to Major is too meagre for any one to form an opinion, | Sirr (undated). Bravo Brennan once a writer
for the republican party, and acquainted with all But, as has often been said before in 'N.&Q.; their characters. He wrote in the Hibn Journal nobody can tell the value of anything withvery cutting replies to articles in the Press News- out seeing and inspecting. I have looked at
Ashbee's 'Iconography,' but do not find these OFFICERS OF STATE IN IRELAND (10th Si volumes in his lists. RALPH THOMAS. 149, 214).— With reference to the answer FLEET STREET, No. 53 (10th S. iii. 427, 493; iv. that I am acquainted with the lists in the
the latter reference, I should like to stat 94). The prints of Westminster and London, Book of Dignities, and have reason to making a panoramic view which begins with believe them inaccurate. Could any con the south end of Westminster and ends with tributor refer me to the actual records from the Tower and London Bridge, engraved by which information may be derived about the S. & N. Buck, were published "Sept. 11th, Officers of State in Ireland, in particular the 1749, No. 1, Garden Court, Middle Temple, Principal Secretary of State, or Secretary of London."
These five prints I have before the Council, and Secretary to the Lord me. As to place or places of publication of Lieutenant, or Secretary for Ireland ? the rest of the (about) 500 views engraved
My name is Holt, not “Hall," as printed by the brothers Buck I know nothing.
ante, p. 149.
R. VINCENT HOLT. ROBERT PIERPOINT. Lincoln College, Oxford. ETON SCHOOL LISTS (10th S. iv. 187).-Is The authoritative lists of such officers will there any note in these lists of George, be found in the 'Liber Munerum Publicorum Earl Waldegrave, who was unfortunately Hibernice; or, the Establishments of Ireland drowned when at Eton in 1794, at the early from the 19th of King Stephen to the 7th age of ten years? He had succeeded to the of George IV.,' compiled by Rowley Lascelles
, title in 1789, when only five years of age. of the Middle Temple, barrister-at-law, under The probability is that he was buried with the authority of Parliament, and ordered to his ancestors at Navestock, in Essex, in the be printed in 1824. An index to the work mausoleum adjoining the church.
will be found in Appendix III. of the Ninth JOHN PICKFORD, M.A.
Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Records Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge.
in Ireland (1877). EDMUND T. BEWLEY. THE PURPOSE OF A FLAW (10th S. iv. 208). -In Lower Bengal, where I lived for many MANAGER (10th S. iv. 204).—Is MR. LAWRENCE
JOHN BLAND, THE EDINBURGH ACTORyears, the same custom was common as regards the building of a new pucca (brick) acquainted with what has already appeared house (there were no stones there) and of in N. & Q.respecting this celebrated actor!
S. xii207, 277, a Muth (Hindoo temple). Some part was
ÉVERARD HOME COLEMAN. always left in an unfinished state. The
71, Brecknock Road. reason of this, however, was a superstition among the natives that, if any one completed ISAAC JOHNSON, OF MASSACHUSETTS (104& such a building, he would die shortly after- iv. 227).-Had he any children? His wife
, wards. Might not this Oriental idea have Lady Arbella Clinton, alias ffynes, was s some bearing with regard to the Jewish descendant of George, Duke of Clarence dwellings?
ALEX. THOMS. See the ‘Plantagenet Roll,' Clarence vol, RIPLEY ARMS (10th S. iii. 167).-Some months
Any information would greatly oblige.
RUVIGNY. I asked for information as to the existence ago
Galway Cottage, Chertsey. of an heraldic seal of early date bearing the arms of Ripley of Ripley Castle, near Foun- THE ALMSMEN, WESTMINSTER ABBEY (10 tains Abbey, Yorkshire, but obtained no S. iv. 168, 236).—May I be permitted to say response. Can any one now give me in that, if MR. HARLAND OXLEY be right
as to formation on another point? In Papworth's the constitution of this body of men--and it "Ordinary,' under “3 lions," there occurs the would appear from his statement that he following blazon : “Per chev. arg. and az. must be-there seems to be something wrong three lions ramp. counterchanged. SIR...... somewhere? I have been informed that REPLEY," and the reference (v.) is to Glover's Mr. Smith, lately connected with the church Ordinary,' Cotton MS. Tiberius D. 10; Harl. of St. James the Less, Westminster, and pre MSS. 1392 and 1459. But in the copy of viously in the employment of Messrs. Mowlen 'Glover's Roll' printed in 1868 by George J. & Co., has been, upon the suggestion of the Armytage I am unable to find any such Rev. Theophilus Greatorex, the vicar of that blazon, or any reference to the name of Ripley church, nominated to be one of the almsmen or Repley, Is Mr. Armytage's Roll the by the Dean of Westminster; and a further Ordinary referred to in Papworth? And statement was made to me that the aforesaid if so, how is the omission of this blazon to be Mr. Smith has never been in either the navy accounted for?
A. CALDER. or army. It may not be out of place to
ask if the old constitution of Queen Elizabeth his ‘Family Memorials, which appeared in
has been changed ; and, if so, when it was 1885. He subsequently wrote to me that e done, and by what authority.
Mr. H. F. Waters had discovered evidence to EDWARD TANSLEY. fill a gap of which Col. Chester had said it Warwick Street, South Belgravia, S.W.
a gap that cannot be bridged "-carryCOMBERMERE ABBEY (10th S. iv. 229). —
ing back the Dummers of New England to
the middle of the twelfth century. Possibly MR. BERESFORD may like to be re
GEORGE TO ZERWOOD. ferred to 'The Book of the Abbot of Comber- 50, Beecroft Road, Brockley, S.E. mere, 1289-1529,' containing abstracts of Nantwich deeds, leases, and rentals between Your correspondent will find a sixteenththose dates relating to lands, dwellings, salt century reference to this family in Col. Cheshouses, and pikes in Nantwich belonging to ter’s ‘London Marriage Licences.' the abbot and convent of Combermere,
S. D. C. published by Mr. James Hall, of Nantwich, There is a monumental brass plate in Latin, for the Record Society of Lancashire and in Dummer Church, Basingstoke, Hants, to Cheshire.
the memory of William Dommer and Helen 1 I do not know where the chartulary of his wifo, who both died on 12 April, 1427,
Combermere Abbey is, but probably Viscount which may be of interest to your corre-
EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. on the subject.
71, Brecknock Road. T. CANN HUGHES, M.A., F.S.A. Lancaster.
The late Dr. Marshall's 'Genealogist's
Guide' gives references to this family ALMANSA (10th S. iv. 248).-The full name in the following books : Brocas of Beaureis Andres de Almansa y Mendoza. Several paire,' by M. Burrows, p. 324; the Somerset of his letters, in Spanish, will be found in Archæological Society's Transactions, xvii. the British Museum Library. An English 114; New England Register, xxxv. 254, 321 ; translation of one of them, called 'A Rela- | The Genealogist, New Series, xiv. 172. tion of the Departure of the Prince of Wales
E. A. FRY. from Madrid, 1623,' is given in Lord Somers's
124, Chancery Lane. Collection of Scarce and Valuable Tracts,' If HARDINGCOURT will write direct I can | edited by Sir Walter Scott, 1809, vol. ii. give him the reference to two old Dummer p. 540, but the author's name is abbreviated lawsuits.
GERALD FOTHERGILL. to "Andrez de Mendoza."
11, Brussels Road, New Wandsworth, S.W. JAS. PLATT, Jun.
References to obituary notices of eight “Our countryman" mentioned in the quo- Dummers (1724 to 1781) will be found in tation is evidently Prince Charles, not Andrea Musgrave's Obituary, vol. xlv. of the Harde Almansa y Mendoza, author of Nove- leian Society, published 1900. dades de esta Corte y Avisos recibidos de
CHAS. A. BERNAU. otras partes, 1621-26.'. An edition of this
W. R. BEXFIELD (10th S. iv. 267).—Died in book was published at Madrid in 1886. ROBERT B. DOUGLAS.
London, 28 October, 1853; organist of St. 64, Rue des Martyrs, Paris.
W. H. CUMMINGS.
Dr. William Richard Bexfield died 29 OctoDUMMER FAMILY (10th S. iv. 230). –There ber, 1853, and was buried in St. Mary's; are depositions on record in regard to the Paddington, 31 October. Grove's Dictionary rectory of Hardwick, Bucks, showing that gives 28 October as the date of death. În John Dummer was rector there in 1689. An the register of death it is, however, given as abstract of title in my possession relative to above. The date of burial is taken from the the manors of Cossington and Rooksbridge, sexton's book. Bexfield died at 12, Monin East and West Pennard, Somersetshire, mouth Road South.
J. S. S. recites indentures dated 1 June, 1792, to which Nathaniel Dance, Esq., and Harriet ,
[Several other correspondents are thanked for his wife, late Harriet Dummer, widow and
replies. ] executrix of Thomas Dummer, Esq., were GIBBETS (10th S. iv. 229, 251, 296).- When parties.
in the town of Grand Andely, Normandy, The late Prof. Edward Elbridge Salisbury, this summer, I noticed several gibbet-like of New Haven, Connecticut, printed an structures standing in various places near account of the Pyldren - Dummer family in the roadside. On inquiring their purpose I
was told that they were for hanging lights slake at a little distance from the road, ay to on dark winter nights. In every case the "stob” remained until the dock was mad bricks or pieces of wood were suspended to somewhere about the middle of the la keep the ropes in place over the pulleys. I century. The cago in which the body w venture to throw out the suggestion that it encased, made of hoop-iron, is now in t was an old-time lamp.post of this kind that collection of the Society of Antiquaries General Booth saw. It will be noticed that Newcastle, in their museum at the Blackga
on a hill a few yards from the road " is a in that city. For an account of the trial ar likely enough position for a light. Carving gibbeting see Sykes's 'Local Records, vol a
‘' the piece of wood used to keep the rope in p. 388.
R. BR place into the form of a man's head would
The date in my reply should have bee easily suggest itself. W. R. B. PRIDEAUX. 1847, not 1849.
A. N. The gibbet which General Booth saw
AUTHOR OF QUOTATION WANTED (106 stands on the roadside between Elsdon and iv. 249).— The lines “She never found fazl Cambo, at a place called Sting Cross, a wild
are from Mrs. E. B. Browning'
BLANCHE HULTON. and lonely spot in the northern uplands of poem “My Kate.' Northumberland. The present gibbet is not DUCHESS OF CANNIZARO (10th S. iv. 265). — old, but was erected by Sir Charles Trevelyan The Duke of Cannizaro lived in the mansica (father of the biographer of Macaulay) on on the west side of Wimbledon Commor the spot where stood "Winter's Stob.” This which had been occupied previously by was the gibbet on which hung the body Henry Dundas, first Viscount Melville
. I of William Winter, who was executed for was afterwards called Cannizaro House. Mr. murder at Newcastle on 10 August, 1792. The details of the story will be found in Bartlett, mitte his. "History of Wimbledon
. 164: "The Duke of The Monthly Chronicle of North-Country originally Count St. Antonio, was a refuge, Lore and Legend, vol. i. pp. 106, 186. Winter who married a rich English heiress, and had murdered an old woman, and after being became immortalized in one of the 'Ingoldsti hanged at Newcastle his body was suspended Legends.'"
W. P. COURTNEY. on the gibbet until through decomposition every vestige of it disappeared. Its place
If E. M. will make a search among was supplied by a wooden effigy, of which marriages given in 'The Annual Registeria eventually only the head remained. The The Gentleman's Magazine, in or before 1831 gibbet itself fell to decay, and, as I have he will perhaps get the name of the lady i remarked_above, the present erection is question.
EDWARD SHATH modern. Even now it is an uncanny enough
Putney. sight; but what must it have been to the “TINTERERO” (10th S. iv. 267). — Judging by solitary traveller a century ago, when the its form, I think this is a Spanish wort decaying body and the creaking chains came though I cannot find it in any Spanish die suddenly within view just when darkness tionary. It appears to be derived from was coming on?
tinta, ink, and may be a popular name for I have a photograph of Winter's Stob, and those huge cuttle-fish whích emit a black also one of the Caxton gibbet, which Il fluid like ink when in danger of being takes believe is still standing in Cambridgeshire. Compare the term "ink-fish" applied to them Both are at the disposal of your corre- by English sailors. Jas. PLATT, Jun. spondent.
W. E. WILSON. Hawick.
I would suggest that there is no such word
in French, or in any other of the continental On 1 August, 1832, Wm. Jobling was tried languages, and that it is simply a misprins at Durham Assizes for the murder of Nicholas for the Spanish word tintorera. Fairless, a magistrate, and sentenced to be The dictionary of the Spanish Academy hanged and his body hung in chains near the gives tintorera as the female of tiburon, which scene of the murder, which took place on ait describes as a marine fish, a species of des road leading from South Shields to Jarrow, or wolf, but of monstrous size, reaching, round Jarrow Slake, a large expanse of_mud 20 ft. in length, and of corresponding, buk flats,dry at low tide, stretching from the Tyne. It gives some further particulars, and add A portion of these mud flats was taken to it is most voracious of human flesh. make the Tyne Dock of the North-Eastern In Velazquez's 'Spanish Dictionary'tibo Railway Company-the most important dock is given as the equivalent of shark; and on the Tyne." The gibbet was set up on the the Imperial English Dictionary' tiburo is