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' Dictionary' and of my 'Concise Dictionary,' and greater plainly is the skill used against them. We the latter will be corrected further yet.

are convinced that a little laughter will do them What I complain of is that any one should get more harm than all the arguments in the world." himself up as correcting me when there is nothing | Which is just as it should be. to show that I am wrong; I cannot help feeling I believe even my heartiest opponents will give that it was merely my reputation that brought it me credit for attacking opinions rather than perupon me, and that it was not at all provoked by sons; and I am sure we all only desire to get at my combativeness. My belief was simply that “my I the truth.

WALTER W. SKEAT. edition of the 'Romans of Partenay' was not con- Cambridge. sulted at all” (7th S. iii. 433); and, as everything turned upon what is there said, I am of opinion HERBERT, EARL OF PEMBROKE (7th S. iii. 450). that such is not "fair treatment." I repeat that -The quartering referred to by A. M. C. is most “the references which I give" ought to have been probably the coat of St. Quintin, viz., Or, three looked up. There is a scholarly and a slipshod chevronels gules, a chief vaire. This coat, with its way of doing everything. Now if it can be said contingent quarterings, was brought into the Pemthat my references were looked up, and the book broke shield by the marriage of William Herbert, I mention was consulted, I have nothing at all to created Earl of Pembroke in 26 Hep. VIII., with complain of, and I at once apologize. All this has Anne, sister and cobeir of Sir Willim Parr, Marnothing to do with personal feeling, except in. quis of Northampton. It forms the eleventh directly and subordinately.

quarter in the shield displayed in Vandyke's large As to “guesses," they differ greatly. It is picture at Wilton, of Philip, Earl of Pembroke quite one thing for a person to make them without and Montgomery and his family. B. W. G. any investigation and in defiance of all known Southampton. phonetic and philological laws; and quite another thing to offer a suggestion for what it is worth THE ASSASSINATION OF SPENCER PERCEVAL after all available means of obtaining information (6th S. xii. 367; 7th S. iii. 445).--I have heard bave been exhausted. It is a curious fact that William Jerdan, the veteran littérateur, when rethe worse a guess is the more obstinately it is sident at Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire, circa 1865, maintained, the object being to hide ignorance by describe this murder, of which he was an eyeraising a cloud of dust. I admit having made witness, and which took place in the lobby of the " guesses "; but then I shall not attempt to main House of Commons on May 11, 1812. Jerdan, tain them unless I can adduce fresh evidence. then about thirty years of age, was connected with

The whole matter lies in a nutshell. If a man the press, and was the first to seize Bellingham. is entirely ignorant of botany or chemistry, he It may seem almost an incredible thing at the leaves those subjects alone. But if a man is en present day, but within a week after the assassinatirely ignorant of the first principles of philology tion of Spencer Perceval, the body of his murderer (which has lately made enormous advances), he was lying on the dissecting-table, with such rapidity does not leave the subject alone, but considers his had conviction and execution succeeded on the "opinions " as good as the most assured results heels of crime. Not, however, quite so quickly of the most competent scholars. The knowledge as that of John Chiesley of Dalry, which took place of a language is often supposed to carry with it only three days after the assassination of the Lord the knowledge of the laws of formation of the President Lockbart, March 31, 1689. It is worthy language. But this is not in the least the case. of note that Chiesley and Bellingham were both Many a man who writes German is profoundly taken, to use a Scottish phrase, "red-handed," and ignorant of its etymology; and the same is true each had taken upon himself the office of avenger of English. Owing to a wide difference in the of his own imaginary wrongs. methods of teaching, a German knows this, and In the "Autobiography of William Jerdan,' abstains, as a rule, from showing his ignorance ; vol. i. pp. 133-141, is an accurate account of the whereas the Englishman commonly does not know murder, and at the end of the same volume there this, and is amusingly unaware of the portentous | is a plan of the lobby of the House of Commons nature of his errors.

where it was committed. In Fisher's National My object has always been the same, viz., to Portrait Gallery,' 1830, vol. i., is also a memoir of protest against the usual state of things. In course the Right Hon. Spencer Perceval, by the same of time the lesson will be learnt that there is really writer. Do glory to be got by making elementary blunders, William Jerdan had at one time been a favoured or by suggesting ridiculous emendations even of guest at the houses of many of the nobility, and Shakespeare. I cannot at all acquiesce in the been honoured with the friendship of some of the notion that people who talk nonsense must never most celebrated literary men in England. He has be reproved for it. "The more they cry out,” says left on record many of his reminiscences in his Sydney Smith in his review on Methodism," the 'Autobiography,' in four volumes, and in his

'Men I have Known. On the title-page of the new. It will be found discussed at some length latter he bas inscribed an appropriate motto from in the very useful Glossary of Anglo-Indian Horace :

Words,' edited by Col. Yule, who is himself eviTamen me

dently in favour of it, and quotes not only the pasCum magnis vixisse invita fatebitur usque

sage cited from ‘Piers Plowman' by MR. LEE, but Invidia.

also another from Chaucer (C. T.,' 3754, 'The John PICKFORD, M.A.

Miller's Tale') in which the word kerse occurs.* See also the 'Autobiography of William Jer. But even if damn in " to care a damn" is really dan, London, 1852. This popular individual was a corruption of the name of a very harmless Indian once a reporter in the House of Commons. On coip, dám-which is verydoubtfult-there is nothing the fatal day he entered concurrently with the to show that this corruption took place during minister. Holding the door open to let his supe- Wellington's stay in India ; and if it had taken rior pass, be heard the shot and nearly felt it too. place before, then, as he was no scholar like Col. His personal narrative, as an eye-witness, will be Yule, he was likely to be ignorant of the origin of found at ch. xviii., vol. i. p. 133; and at the end the phrase, and to use the word damn in the sense of the book, which bears the imprint of my former which is naturally attached to it by every Eoglishfirm, will be found a plan of the lobby, May 11, man. And, again, if he had been aware of the origin 1812.

A. Hall of the phrase and had been careful to avoid the 13, Paternoster Row, E.C.

imputation of swearing (which is not likely, as “Dream of his Death,” Bourchier Wrey Savile, swearing was very common in those days and • Apparitions,' ch. xii. pp. 156-162, Lon., 1874 ; thought but little of, especially in the army), he 'N. & Q.;' 1st S. iv. 4 ; 5th S. xi. 226, 256. would surely have taken the precaution of writing

ED. MARSHALL.

the word dám. And least of all would he have

written "twopenny damp," for, whatever may have Who was ROBIN HOOD ? (7th S. ii. 421; ii. I been the

8. 11. 421; 111. | been the original value of the dám, I it had, so far 201, 222, 252, 281, 323, 412, 525.)—The attempts back as the time of Akbar (1542–1605), ceased to of your correspondents to identify Robin Hood be worth more than the fortieth part of a rupee, with any historical outlaw, or to assign any and was consequently, in Wellington's time at any historical date to his exploits, are, I fear, fore- rate, of far less value than twopence; so that doomed to failure. The story is a solar myth, and twopenpy damn ” would have conveyed precisely Robin Hood is one of the heroes of Cloudland, the opposite meaning to that which he intended to whose adventures cannot be separated from those convevis

F. CHANCE. of William of Cloudeslee or of William Tell. Some Sydenham Hill. years ago I made in the Academy a suggestion, which has met with wide acceptance, that he must

In addition to Dr. Brewer's quotation from be identified with the Hotherus of Saxo Grammati. | Langland, the following may throw some light on cus, and Jacob Grimm has also identified him with this subject :Hodekin, a wood-sprite of the German mythology.

Of paramours ne sette he nat a kers. Mr. Bradley has also shown good reasons for be.

Chaucer, 'The Millere's Tale.'

Men witen welle wbiche bath the werse, lieving that the Hood legend was current in Eng

And so to me nis worth a kerse. land before the Norman Conquest. The treasure

Gower (quoted by Halliwell). of “the proude Sheryfe of Notyngham ” is In The Testament of Love' cress is twice used in the guarded gold of the Nibelungs, which is

ogs, which 18 the same sense. There seems, therefore, no doubt stolen by solar heroes, and Maid Marian is the lof the meaning, though Dr. Brewer says kerse Dawn Maiden, Brynhild, who reappears as Colum

C. C. B. bine in the southern version of the legend, where Pantaloon corresponds to Friar Tuck, Harlequin The word kerse does not, as Dr. Brewer asserts, being, of course, the solar bero. The Robin Hood mean a “wild cherry" at all. It was the “cress" legend is thus a faint Western echo of the great or “water-cress," the Nasturtium officinalis of Aryan sun-myth, which we find in India, Greece, R. Brown. In Cockayne's 'Saxon Leechdoms' the Germany, Scandinavia, and England, with which, not improbably, some elements of the Odin myth * He interprets kers(e), however, not "wild cherry," have become commingled. The story was localized, with Dr. Brewer, but “cress," with Tyrwhitt and Prof. and historical elements were imported into it as Skeat (8.0. “Cress"). in the case of Theodoric, Arthur, Charlemagne, or

| † As “to care a curse" was already in use, it was Attila, to whom the adventures of the solar heroes

surely very simple to substitute“ damn” for “curse."

I SIR J. A, Pioton says that a dám was originally the of Cloudland in like manner were assigned. sixteenth part of a gold mohur, but I do not find this in

ISAAC TAYLOR Col. Yule, and the statement, therefore, requires con

firmation. TWOPENNY DAMN(7th S. iii. 232,326, 462).—1 $ The duke no doubt meant by “twopenny damn” the Ĩ

mean

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word is spelt karce ( Herb.,' app., xxi). In Alfrid's sarcasm. Had I not been doing in my study precisely vocabulary of the tenth century we have kerse: in what my boy was doing out of doors ?” &c. Langland, Chaucer, and Guwer kers; and in a fif

M. E. A. P. teenth century vocabulary kyrs. Dr. Brewer was It may be worth while to notice that Cobbett evidently confusing kerse with cyrs, the Anglo- mentions the horsehair superstition as a “notoriSaxon name of the cherry tree. Amongst old ously true fact." He says, “ What causes horsewriters the expressions “not worth a cress, or a hair to become living things ?" (Rural Rides,' leek, or a haw, or a bean," were very common. vol. i. p. 356, ed. 1885). By the way, the Rev.

P. E. NEWBERRY. Pitt Cobbett has done his work as editor of this Upper Norwood.

handsome reprint of his grandfather's book on the When Dr. Brewer quotes from Piers Plow. whole very well ; but there is an inexcusable slip man'

in his note on p. 201 of vol. i., when he says Wisdom and witt nowe is not worthe a kerse,

that, in 1830, “the most serious riots occurred at and explains kerse as meaning a "wild cherry," he

Bristol, called the Gordon riots." is apparently giving the rein to his imagination.

EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. Cerse is the A.-S. form of cress, cf. also 0.L.Germ. kerse. The word in A.-S. is written also caerse. PROCLAMATIONS AT INQUESTS (7th S. iii. 369).

-Forms of words slightly varying from those A "twopenny damn " seems to have been a quoted by H. C. W. formerly were, and probably favourite expression of the Duke of Wellington. It are still, used at the opening and closing of inoccurs in Sir Francis Doyle's Reminiscences' in quests by the coroners in the county of Durham connexion with the battle of Talavera. I quote and North Yorkshire. In the opening proclamafrom & review, 80 am unable to give the page.

tion, after “as ye shall be called," are the words, J. J. FAHIE.

“ Every man at the first call under the pain and Tehran, Persia.

peril that shall fall thereon.” In the closing pro

clamation the jurors are not enjoined “ to depart ANIMATED HORSEHAIRS (766 S. ii. 24, 110, 230, home at this time and give their attendance on a 293; iii. 249, 370).-I have just come upon a still fresh summons,” but to“ depart and take their more ancient record of this idea in the last lines of ease." I forget-it being over twenty years since the fourth book of Ovid's . Metamorphoses': I left the district-whether there was any form in

Aversa est, et castos ægide vultus cases of adjournment beyond binding the jury over Nata Jovis texit. Neve hoc impune fuisset; in their personal recognizances “ to our sovereign Gorgoneum crinem turpes mutavit in hydros,

lady the Queen” to put in an appearance again Nunc quoque ut attonitos formidine terreat hostes, Pectore in adverso, quos fecit, sustinet angues.

on the day and at the hour previously agreed

upon. One coroner whom I knew invariably gave Which is thus translated by Sandys :

instructions for fifteen or sixteen jurymen to be Jove's daughter, with the Ægis on her breast,

warned. If twelve of these were in attendance at Hid her chaste blushes; and due vengeance takes, In turning of the Gorgon's haire to enakes.

the hour fixed they were duly sworn, and the Who now, to make her enemies affray'd,

Ĩ Beares in her shield the serpents which she made. ten shillings," unless they could show good and C. LEESON PRINCE.

sufficient cause for their absence. Before this was A similar superstition prevails amongst Spanish

done, however, the officer in attendance had to Americans in the republic of Colombia, but accord

stand at the door and call upon the said absenteos ing to them it is the human hair that turns into

three separate times by name to "come forth and

I can confirm what H. C. W.

save your peril." å snake, the root forming the head. I have often been warned

I says as to the West Riding of Yorkshire. by Colombians against throwing

have never heard the proclamations used in any combings from a brush into my bath for this

coroner's court there. ALEXANDER PATERSON. reason. Many persons told me that they had seen the hairs turn into spakes shortly after being left

Barnsley. in the water. Here is a quotation from the Big CROMWELL (7th S. iii. 107, 137, 232, 276, 415). — low Papers' (London, 1886), p. 320, anent horse- MR. RUTTON is correct in thinking that there is no bairs :

mention made in any pedigree of the marriage of " But one day as I was going forth for a walk, with any son of Oliver and Elizabeth Cromwell, except my head full of an. Elegy on the Death of Flirtilla,' and the marriage of Henry Cromwell. It appears to vainly groping after a rhyme for lily that should not be be clear that only two of Sir Oliver's sons married, silly or chilly, I saw my eldest boy Homer busy over the rain-water hogshead, in that childsh experiment at par

and Henry Cromwell married twice, whilst the two thenogenesis, the changing a horse-hair into a water

elder sons died unmarried. John Cromwell, Noble snake. An immersion of six weeks showed no change in informs us, married in 1631; but for some cause the obstinate filament, Here was a stroke of unintended or other the marriage was kept secret until, as

Noble (in his 'Memoirs of the Protectorate House History of the Commoners,' vol. i. p. 428, which, of Cromwell') asserts, it was finally dissolved by in addition to the descent, contains some curious Act of Parliament. The petition contained the information concerning the different members of names of John Cromwell, Abigail Cromwell, his the family. In Burke's History of the Landed wife, John Smith, and others; and it is stated by Gentry,'1871, vol. i. p. 303, may be found another, the author of the 'Memoirs' that the House of substantially the same. Commons ordered that the “cause between John

John PICKFORD, M.A. Smith and others, and the cause between Col. Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge. John Cromwell and Abigail, his wife, and the Petition of the said John Smith, then reported,

EPITAPH (7th S. iii. 426).—This epitaph from and the whole of the business should be referred

as the brass in Henfield Church was contributed (less to the hearing and determination of the House of

verbally correctly) to 'N. & Q.,' 6th S. xii. 12. Commons from the Common Law Court." Whether,

Neither version gives the quaint concluding lines:according to the course of procedure, the House

She lived and dyed a vertuous matron, did determine the suit Noble does not say. How

That with full lamp like virgin wise

Was still prepared for this surprize. ever, the facts are almost sufficient to explain the

And 's now departed hence to dwell absence of any reference to this marriage being

Unto a place where ioies excell. found on a family pedigree. Another of the Pro- The effigy on the brass represents a stately dame tector's relatives, Mrs. Thomas Cromwell, née 'with neck ruff and slashed sleeves, and what looks Mary Skinner, a lineal descendant of Thomas like a feather fan in her left hand; her right hand Skinner, of Beckerton, Hereford, and daughter of rests on the curly head of her “deer Meneleb." Nicholas Skinner, merchant, died at Ponder's In Shipley Church, in the same county, I copied End, Enfield, October, 1813, and was aged 105 another of about the same date off a fine alabaster years. HENRY A. H. GOODRIDGE, M.A. I monument to Sir Thomas Caryll (1616), which for 18, Liverpool Street, King's Cross.

| lofty bombast is, perhaps, unsurpassed :It may be of interest to your correspondent (MR. Ask not who lies entombed, that crime GARDNER) to know I have an old manuscript grant

Argues you lived not in his time; of property in St. Stephen's, Coleman Street, Lon

His virtues answer, and to Fate

Outliving him, express their hate don, formerly held by the Cromwell family, and

For stealing 'way the life of one by their descendants, Henry and Hannah Crom

Who (but for Fashion) needs no stone well, then of Spinny, co. Cambridge, who after

To seek his praise. His worst did dye, wards intermarried into the Hewling family. This

But best part outlives memorye. document bears the date 1686, and has the signa

Then view, read, trace, his tombe, praise, deedes, tures of Henry and Hannah Cromwell, with their

Which teares, joy, love, strain, causeth, breeds. seals; and it is also witnessed at the back by the

Its peculiarity occurs in the last two lines, the three signature of a Richard Cromwell.

nouns of each of which have to be mentally paired CHARLES GOLDING.

off in reading with the verbs that qualify them, Colchester,

thus: “ view his tombe, reade bis praise, trace his deedes," &c.

R. H. BUSK. John Fitz John, son of John Fitz Geoffery, Lord Chief Justice of Ireland, died seized of the A DESCENDANT OF GROTIUS (7th S. iii. 426).manor of Moulton (Northamptonshire), which he Some further particulars of Isaac de Groot will be held of William Grimband by the service of one found in 'Letters of the late Ignatius Sancho, an knight's fee in the year 1276, and was succeeded African' (third edition, London, 1784), pp. 174-5 by his brother Richard Fitz John. At the final and 215.

C. E. DOBLE. partition of his estates, Moulton Manor was Oxford, valued at 431. 6s. lld., and assigned to Robert de

| THREE HUNDRED POUNDS A YEAR, TEMP. Clifford, Baron Clifford, and Idoned, widow of

QUEEN ELIZABETH (7th S. iii. 429).—This estimate Roger de Leybourn, and wife of John de Crombwell or Cromwell, the two coheirs of Isabel de

compares very favourably with Goldsmith's memorVipond, his second sister. In the 9th Edward II.

able (1316) this John de Cromwell was found to be

Passing rich with forty pounds a year. lord of the manor of Moulton. This Cromwell

Given 3001. temp. Elizabeth, we may assume 4,0001. died about 1335, and the manor devolved upon

temp. Victoria ; given 401. temp. Anne, we may Edward de Spencer, whose father (Hugh) had

assume 2001. now. been beheaded at Hereford in 1326. (Vide His

An allied subject concerns Edw. Alleyn and tory of Northamptonshire.' by W. Whellon. 1849. Dulwich College. Few can be aware how very small

was his pecuniary donation. For instance, take the pp. 208-9.)

W. M. GARDNER.

“ Mermaid ” edition of 'Kit Marlowe'; there we There is a pedigree of Cromwell, of Cheshunt find a short appendix devoted to this subject, Park, representative of the Protector, in Burke's where it is recorded, “In 1605 the manor of Dulwich was purchased by Alleyn at a total cost of R. S. TURNER (7th S. iii. 508).-Mr. Turner 10,0001." As a matter of fact the whole estate, gave me one of his reprints not mentioned by buildings included, was valued at 8001. only. True, MR. ASHBEE. It has no title-page, but begins, we may reckon a money gift temp. Queen Elizabeth “ Senat, séance du mardi 4 juin 1861." It consists of 8001. to be worth 10,000l. now; but this property of a reprint of a report in French of the case of M. is now worth some half-million, the difference Libri, and comprises 132 octavo pages. He had it being all unearned incremont. A. HALL printed in answer to the pamphlet of Prof. Do

P.S. -I may refer to my paper published in the Morgan, but, on account of the latter's death, never Academy, June 4, p. 397.

issued it.

RALPH THOMAS. For the relative value of money in England at THE STANDARDS OF THE BRITISH REGIMENTS different periods, see ‘N. & Q.,' 1" S. ii. ix. xi. xii. ; | under General Burgoyne in the American Cam. and S. i. iv. ix. x. xii. ; 3rd S. i. ii. V.; 4th S. xii. ; paign of 1777 (7th S. iii. 475).5th S. iv.; 6th S. ii, iv, x. xi.

" The old tattered colours of the 33rd regiment of EVERARD HOME COLEMAN.

foot, under which they were engaged in several actions An old friend of N. & Q.,' Mr. J. O. Halliwell during the revolutionary war with North America, are Phillipps, says in his prefatory note to his invalu

hung up in the chancel of this church (St. Mary Mag

dalen). On the arrival of that regiment in this town, able Outlines of Shakespeare,' sixth edition : after the peace of 1783, they had new colours presented

“In balancing the Shakespearean and the present to them, which were consecrated here, and the old ones currencies the former may be roughly estimated from a deposited in the vestry. The actions in which the 33rd twelfth to a twentieth of the value in money and from a regiment was engaged under these colours in America twentieth to a thirtieth in landed or house property. were those of Brooklyn, in Long Island, Aug. 27, 1776 ; Even these scales may be deceptively in favour of the Brandywine, Sept. 11, 1777; German-Town, Oct. 4, 1777; older values, there having been, in Shakespeare's days, a Freefield, on the retreat from Philadelphia, June 28, relative and often a fictitious importance attached to the 1777; Camden, under Lord Cornwallis, Aug. 16, 1780; precious metals, arising from their comparative scarcity Guilford, March 15, 1781 ; and in the defence of Yorkand the limited appliances for dispensing with their use." Town, 1781."— The History of Taunton,' by James

ESTE. Savage, 1822.

These old colours seem, shortly after the above LUNDY'S LANE 7th S. ii. 428, 477; iii. 351).

was written, to have been presented by the - It is curious to compare different accounts of

church authorities to my grandfather, the late events in history. MR. WAGGONER, of America,

Col. Kemeys - Tynte, of Halswell, Bridgwater, recently quoted the United States forces in this

whose grandfather, Col. (afterwards Lieut.-General) battle at 2,600 and the British at 4,500 ; but

Johnson, commanded the 33rd Regiment at the William James, the historian, a very exact and

battle of Dettingen. The colours, or what remains painstaking author, states in his 'Military Occur.

of them, are still in the possession of the present rences,' published in 1818, that the British entered

owner of Halswell. into action with 1,770 men only, and were rein

St. David KEMEYS-TYNTE. forced at night with 1,230 more, who in the dark

Torquay. blondered into a disadvantageous position. The American army, according to the same author,

In reference to the above I beg to state that numbered more than 4,000 men.

several of the regiments therein quoted were reH. Y. POWELL, F.R. Hist. Soc. presented by their flank companies (the Grenadier 17, Bayswater Terrace, W.

and Light Infantry) only. These would not have

taken colours on active service, as colours always INN SIGNs (7th S. iii. 448).-I wish to point

remain with the headquarters of the regiment. 'I out an error of CUTHBERT BEDE's. I have inquired

can answer for the 29th Foot not having lost any of the oldest inbabitants in the neighbourhood, colours at Saratoga or elsewhere. but none of them has ever known an inn the sign

H. EVERARD, Capt., late 29th Foot. of “The Pickle” opposite Magdalene College. There is “The Pickerel Inn," which has always RICHARD MARTIN (7th S. iii. 328, 417, 522).been known by that name.

F. L. I venture to say that there is even a more amusCambridge.

ing anecdote than Jerden's regarding the Prince of

Connemara, told by Father Tom Burke, and to be Opposite to Magdalene College, Cambridge, is an found in the first chapter of his 'Life,' published inn with the sign of “The Pickerel,” which I l last

last year by Messrs. Kegan Paul, Trench & Co. believe is one that is not uncommon. I have

EBLANA. known the street nearly forty years, and can answer for it that I never heard of “The Pickle" inn in Ecce Homo '(7th S. iii. 497).-SIGMA requires it or in any other. I think your correspondent information concerning D. I. Eaton and Ecce must have been misinformed.

Homo.' I possess a copy printed by L. I. Eaton,

ALFRED NEWTON. Ave Maria Lane, 1813, pp. 344; but Eaton was Magdalene College, Cambridge.

tried and convicted 1812 for selling Paine's works.

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