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Mr. RUTT seconded the Resolution, which was carried unanimously, with great applause.-It was then resolved that the above Resolution should be communicated to the Secretaries of the Catholic Associations of England and Ireland.-The Association then broke up.

UNITED PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Tuesday, May 31.

THE IRISH CHURCH.

The Earl of KINGSTON presented a petition from Kilkenny, in Limerick, complaining of the want of a Protestant Church. The parish was one of a union of parishes, and was far from the union Church. It was rich enough to pay a clergyman, and parishioners had applied to the diocesan to be separated from the union, and to have a Church built; but the Bishop had no power to separate such union, which was done by an act of Council. He hoped the noble Earl opposite would cause some alteration in the law.

Lord CLIFDEN said, that the union of several parishes was often attended with great inconvenience, and he thought every parish that could raise 2001. a year, should be separated, and have a Church of its own.The Irish Church was a Church without a flock. In Kilkenny there were instances of ten parishes being united; and the distance from one end of the union to the other was twenty miles.-[The Earl of KINGSTON exclaimed, Thirty.]-Well, thirty, as his Noble Friend said, and laughed at it as a joke; but it was no joke for the deserted flocks. But though the people often wanted a church, they had always that hell upon earth, a Bishop's Court! there was nothing like it for injustice this side Constantinople.

Lord KING said, he held in his hand some returns, which might be called the Book of the Irish Church. He found at page 13 one union described, consisting of eleven parishes, which was probably a magnum bonum, a most glorious thing for a parson! In Clonfert there were 60 parishes, and they were all united into 14 benefices. In Kildare, 63 parishes were united into 24 benefices. In Killarney there were only 14 benefices; and in Killaloo, 136 parishes were formed into 42 benefices. This was the ne plus ultra of Irish episcopalian union. He had heard lately of a great readiness to have recourse to the ultima ratio, and this he supposed might be called the ultima ratio episcoparum, when ten parishes could be united into one living, to provide for the son or nephew of a Bishop. It was done too, he supposed, propria motu. The Bishop made the union by his own decree, and popped his son or nephew into the benefice. He had lately read of the French Church; he believed that it was described as the most recent and the least apostolical. The Irish Church, being more ancient, might be called, he supposed, very apostolical! The Noble Lord had said of Bishops' Courts, he doubted if any such things could be found this side of Constantinople. He (Lord King) believed nothing like them could be found even there. There might be some resemblance to them probably in Greece; and he would suppose the rector of Skibbereen discussing with a Turk the mysteries of their trade of exaction. "Do you take tythes from the Greeks? We do not allow the Catholics to go tythe free. Do you goad the Greeks? We do not spare the Catholics. When they are restive, you carry them before the Cadi? We take the Catholics before an Orange-parson-magistrate. Have you got adroit dervises? We have Tipperary tithers more adroit than they. As for your wealth, why a diocese in Ireland, the primacy, is a better preferment than the papacy; I would rather be an Irish Bishop than the Pope. In Ireland we have tithe proctors; and, to crown all, we have Bishops' Courts, with all their chicanery, which are far better instruments for extracting wealth than all the Courts in Turkey." And this was the Church, the Noble Lord said, which must not be touched, and to support which their Lordships had lately thrown out the bill for the relief of the Catholics! The bill must pass one day or other; and he would rather it should pass under the auspices of the Defender of the Faith," than under those of the Most Christian King."-[Not a word from the well-paid side.]

CANADA AND BONDED CORN BILL.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL having moved the order of the day for a Committee on the Canada Corn bill,

Lord MALMSBURY objected to the importation of Canadian corn. He wished the bill to be divided, in order that this objectionable portion of it might be excepted. If the importation of Canadian corn was allowed, the United States would contrive to smuggle to a great extent, and Canada, in her anxiety to export as much as possible, would often run the risk of exhausting herself, and becoming dependent for supply upon America. He moved, "that the Committee be instructed to leave out of the bill all that related to an alteration in the duty on wheat the produce

of the British colonies in North America."

Earl BATHURST observed, that the importation from Canada was restricted to corn in grain, and not in flour; and the latter being the usual way in which the American States exported, and the very bulk of the grain being sufficient to expose it to the risk of seizure, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to carry on such a trade from the United States without detection.

Lord REDESDALE considered that to talk of a free trade in corn was not merely absurd, but dangerous. The landed interests of England were connected with the very essence of the British Constitution, and could not be separated from it! (Hear.) Landed property had been assessed beyond any other kind of property.

The House divided-Contents, 34. Non-contents, 39. Majority against the amendment, 5.-The further consideration of the bill was postponed to Monday.

Lord LIVERPOOL said they were bound to consider where Canada was placed, and what prospects were opening in other parts of America, and they would then see that the more liberal the system they adopted, the more conformable would it be to the growing spirit of the times.

Friday, June 3.

UNITARIAN MARRIAGES.

The second reading of the Bill to allow the Unitarians 10 celebrate marriages in their own chapels, according to their own forms, was moved by the Marquis of LANSDOWN, who stated that some ministers of the Established Church, feeling that the Church itself was injured by compelling persons to enter the Temple of God with equivocation on their tongues, had given their assistance towards framing this measure, which had passed through all its stages in the Commons without a single division.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY voted for the Bill, as equally calculated to relieve the dissenters and the ministers of the Church of England.

The Bishop of BATH and WELLS denied that the church marriage ceremony was a grievance to the Unitarians. He admitted that they were obliged to make a declaration" in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" but these very words were used in their own printed ceremony of baptism-" I baptize thee in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." He also admitted that the clergyman gave to the parties benediction, by praying to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, to bless them. Now, if they did not think that they were the better for this, surely they could not feel themselves worse.

The Bishop of LICHFIELD and COVENTRY thought the bill calculated to deliver the Church of England from the scandalous profanation of a compromise at the altar.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that the Toleration Act did not repeal the common law of the land; and as it was still therefore a crime at common law to deny the divinity of Christ, their Lordships must begin with repealing the common law, and not with an Act of Parliament in the teeth of it. The Jews and the Quakers had marriage ceremonies of their own, and he should not be sorry to see a bill introduced, declaring their marriages valid; for although excepted in Lord Hardwicke's Act, yet, in a case lately before him, considerable doubts had been raised as to the validity of Quakers' marriages.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said the Learned Lord supplied an argument against himself, when he admitted the propriety of Jewish and Quaker marriages; for could any man assert that the doctrines of the Unitarians were more at variance with Christianity than those of the Jews? The Unitarians denied the divinity of Christ; but the Jews denied Christianity altogether-they blasphemed and crucified him whom we adored. And how did the law stand at present? In some cases marriage, according to the rites of the church of England, was not necessary even amongst its own members: they might go to France and be married by a Roman Catholic, or to Scotland and be married by a Presbyterian. He supported the Bill.

The Bishop of CHESTER had no objection to give the Unitarians the same privileges as the Jews and Quakers; but the Unitarians were not he therefore wished the measure delayed till next year. at present prepared to give securities against clandestine marriages; and

On a division, the numbers were-Content, 32; Proxies, 20-52: Not content, 31; Proxies, 25-56.-Majority against the Bill, 4.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, May 30.

The Edinburgh and Dalkeith Rail-road Bill was thrown out by a majority of 63 to 23.

to the bar, reprimanded by the Speaker, and ordered to be discharged on
R. P. T. Pilkington (the forger of the Ballinasloe petition) was called
paying the fees. [The poor devil not having any money, he was allowed
though the careful Mr. Croker objected to this lenity.]
to get out of the custody of the Serjeant at Arms without paying them,
The Jury Bill was read a third time and passed.

GRANTS TO THE DUCHESS of Kent and DUKE OF CUMBERLAND. The Grant of 6,000l. a year to the Duchess of Kent having been voted, for the education of her daughter-that to the Duke of Cumberland, for the education of his son, was opposed by Mr. HUME, who thought the measure was most ill-advised, and that it would be a shameful waste of the public money. Such a demand, for the education of a boy of two years of age, was never before heard of, and ought to be resisted, at a time when Ministers pleaded inability to lower the public burthens What had the Duke of Cumberland ever done to obtain the good-will of Parliament? (Hear, hear!) He certainly ought to educate and support his family without further aid from the nation.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, if it had been the pleasure of that House, on a former occasion, to increase the allowance of the Duke of Cumberland in the same way as it had the allowances of all the other branches of the Royal Family, it would have been needless on his Royal Highness's part to have asked for an addition; because, undoubtedly, the allowances which were made to the Dukes of Clarence and Cambridge of 6,000l. a year additional, on the occasion of their marriages, were considered quite sufficient to meet the probable expenses. It would be recol

fected, however, that the Duke of Cumberland did not obtain the same increased allowance when his marriage took place; and therefore his was quite a different case. His Royal Highness having since had a son born to him, not now two years old, but six, there was surely nothing injurious to his character in the proposition now made for an allowance to him on account of the education of that young individual. He would be quite willing to insert any words which would give a positive pledge to the House, that this young person should not be educated abroad, but in England. This was the real object of the bill. (Hear!)

Dr. LUSHINGTON contended that the precedent of such a grant was a very dangerous one, and might lead to consequences mischievous in the extreme. For his own part, moreover, he did not see that the Duke of Cumberland had not already allowance enough to discharge all these luties of education and maintenance, if he was really disposed to discharge hem. (Hear!) But suppose the Duke should come back to this country, how came it that the Duchess of Kent, with ber 12,000l. a year (that she would now have) would be able to provide for her young daughter, who was so near in succession to the throne, to maintain her rank and state on their present footing, and to provide all the education suitable for that daughter, while the Duke of Cumberland was incapable of managing the same duties with 18,000l. a year? (Hear, hear!) Surely there was a gross inconsistency at the outset. After some further remarks, Dr. L. moved an amendment for leaving out the words, "Duke of Cumberland," and putting in," the United Empire."

Mr. CREEVEY declared that he could not submit to pass the original motion, or the amendment. He had never witnessed so gross an outrage as that which was now put upon the good sense and consistency of the House, by this attempt to get 6,000l. a year out of the House of Commons for the Duke of Cumberland. (Hear, hear!) For that was the fact the money was wanted for the Duke of Cumberland. (Hear!) This was neither more nor less than an attempt to raise 6,000l. a year under false pretences. (4 laugh.) Six thousand pounds a year for the education of a child five years old! It was nonsense to talk of it. Was ever so absurd a thing heard of? In truth, this was the old motion in a new form; but that was the most insulting and contemptuous in which it could have been produced. It was very true, that 6,000l. a year had been voted to the Duchess of Kent, but the application, he was very sure, never came from her, nor from those around her. (Hear, hear!) She and the Princess, so far from being voluntary applicants, had been made the mere tools to justify the application on behalf of the Duke of Cumberland, and carry that with their own. (Hear!) If the House agreed to the resolution, they would disgrace themselves for ever. (Hear, hear !)

Mr. CRIPPS expressed himself to be friendly to the principle of the amendment, and declared his intention of voting for it.

Mr. H. GURNEY said the Duke of Cumberland had, in his opinion, been very unjustly treated upon a former occasion, and he hoped the House would now redeem itself from the imputation which its former injustice had cast upon it.

Sir G. ROSE said, the Duke of Cumberland had been driven out of England by ill-treatment. He had known his Royal Highness for years. Upon the first commencement of his intimacy, some of his friends remonstrated with him upon the danger he run from the bad repute in which his Royal Highness was held. He (Sir G. Rose) replied, that he saw his Royal Highness surrounded by men of the most distinguished probity, of the most scrupulous delicacy of conduct, and as he had never known such men attach themselves to bad men, he would not believe the disadvantageous reports he had heard. The subsequent experience he had had, convinced him that the opinion he had formed was correct. He had never known any man behave in a manner more becoming his station, and with kindness and consideration to all who were about him.

Sir W. CONGREVE said a few words which were nearly inaudible. The Hon. Member was understood to say, that the Duke of Cumberland was remarkably punctual in the payment of his debts.

Mr. C. SMITH complained of the cruel insinuations which had been made against his Royal Highness.

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soon as the scions of the Royal stock attained their 5th or 6th years, the House should be expected to vote 6,000l. per annum for their education. He decidedly opposed the grant, as altogether unnecessary, and as an abuse of that power which the people so largely intrusted to the House. He would oppose it also because its tendency was to lower that true dignity of the Royal Family, which consisted in the respect felt for them by the people.

Mr. CANNING said, the House, he believed, would agree that this child must be educated, not because it was the Duke of Cumberland's child, but because the duty of educating it devolved upon the State, of which it might one day be so important a member. What was now proposed, therefore, was, that by a resolution the most coercive, it should be provided that this education should be carried on at home, and that the Royal parent should either return to England himself, or send hither his child, which might be accomplished by not annexing the parent's return. Thus would be avoided that rude and harsh interference, which it would on all accounts be inexpedient to attempt.

Sir F. BURDETT could not see by what possible device an infant of six years old was to be made capable of expending 6,000l. a year. For himself, he denied that the child stood in any such near relation to the throne as to make any provision necessary, and thought that he might fairly be left to the chance of that education which the Duke his father would bestow upon him. And, if he was to come to this country, what occasion -except to do mischief, and attract a crowd of ill-meaning people about him was there for such a stipend as 6,000l. a-year? How could he be better educated than as young men of rauk and fortune generally were? He (Sir F. Burdett) protested that he thought the 6,000l. a year would be less mischievously employed in giving it even to the Duke of Cumberland, than in bestowing it on what was called the education of his son. The best course would be to negative the vote altogether.

Mr. BROUGHAM, amid loud cries of "Question," suggested whether it would not be better for his learned friend (Dr. Lushington) to withdraw his amendment, and let the question be put at once to negative the grant. Dr. LUSHINGTON understood it to be conceded that some satisfactory provision was to be made as to the education in England; but he objected to the course of the money being voted to the King, specifically "to pay over to the Duke of Cumberland." That distinct arrangement would deprive Parliament of the control which it ought to have over the money, if voted.

The House then divided; when the numbers were-For the grant, 120— Against it, 97—Majority, 23.

Mr. BROUGHAM gave notice, that, on constitutional grounds as well as because he perceived a disposition to take advantage of a temporary coolness on the part of the people respecting questions of economy, and a tendency to spend the people's money as if they were never more to be in want of it, he should therefore continue to give the measure his strenuous opposition. (Loud cheers.)

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Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from a publican at Chichester, complaining that he had been deprived of his license. He understood it was a very hard case, and that the man possessed a most excellent character. This was really a grievance which demanded redress.

Mr. POYNTZ said, he was the more surprised at the refusal, because this man bore an excellent character.

Mr. HUME said, that many such acts of oppression were practised all through the country. There were in Chichester 34 public-houses belonging to one firm of brewers, Messrs. Humphries, and there were only three free houses; and it appeared that every one of the 34 had given a boud to Messrs. Humphries to use no beer but theirs.

Mr. HUSKISSON said, that this was not a case of commercial regulations, but one that concerned the police of the country.

DELAYS AND EXPENCES IN CHANCERY.

Mr. PEEL observed, that the Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) had said, that every man was bound to educate his own children. applied to private life, this was quite true; but in the case before the House, the interest it had in this child made its education a matter of national importance. It was insinuated that as the Duchess of Kent found ber allowance of 12,000l. per annum sufficient, that of the Duke of Cum-habit of selecting the authors and abettors of the abuses existing, to be the berland, amounting to 18,000l. was more than enough. But it would be seen that the situation of the Duchess, being a widow, and leading a retired life, was very different from that of a Prince, who had a family, and a station to keep up. (Hear!) It was asked why the Duke of Cumberland did not come home; but when the manner in which his name had been introduced in 1818, and the allusions which had been then made (which he believed were now regretted) to the person who stood in the relation of his Royal Highness's wife, were recollected, it would not be wondered at that he should choose to reside abroad. It was proper that his Royal Highness's son should be educated in England, and he thought the House ought to require some more valid security than the word of a Minister for that purpose. To effect this, the best means would be by some proviso to be inserted in the bill hereafter.

Mr. BROUGHAM, in reply to an observation that had been made, that a father had a right to direct the education of his child in the way he thought best, said, that this was only true when that father paid for the education of the child. It appeared to him dangerous and novel to admit that as

Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS, alluding to the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the delays, &c. of the Court of Chancery, observed, that when serious reformers set about the correction of an evil, they were not in the instruments of reformation. The very proposition of such a Commission, so constituted, and for such a purpose, required the greatest gravity of countenance. Indeed, he did not believe that the gravest Chaplains in our Church could take up that list of Commissioners, and peruse it, without a most convulsive feeling of laughter.- (Hear, hear!) There remained in the Court of Chancery now, for hearing and appeals, four hundred causes. Excluding those causes which waited for judgment, and petitions, altogether there were twelve hundred of what was called, "matters and things to be disposed of," at that moment waiting for decision! Taking the average at which causes were disposed of since 1813, it would actually take Forty-eight years to obtain a hearing for the causes as they now stood on the paper! Did any man expect that the public would be satisfied with a mere revision of the forms of proceeding-the regulation of the process for the serving of a subpoena? Such a regulation would produce this much advantage; if the average duration of a cause was thirty years, and the average expense 10,000. the corrective of the Commissioners would reduce the duration to twenty-nine years and nine months, and the

Chapter to prove themselves entitled to interfere in this
matter as visitors....

"February 1. Attending Court all day, three petitions in the
paper, but some not called on

some not called on

"5. The like attendance in this Court this day, three petitions
in the paper....

"9. The like attendance this day.
"10. The like attendance this day.
"11. The like attendance this day..
"23. Attending Court, when the Lord Chancellor directed the
Registrar to put the petitions in the paper for Tuesday next
"March 1. Attending Court on three petitions, some in the
paper, and called on, when the various points suggested by
the Court were again argued at some length, and his Lord-
ship promised to give his judgment this day week..........
"8. Attending Court; but the Lord Chancellor did not give
judgment, according to promise

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"That no judgment has been given by his Lordship on these petitions. That the parish officers have incurred costs in consequence to the amount of 6317. 9s., which is exclusive of the costs of the trustees. That at the

expence to 9,991. That was the quantum of relief to be expected from a Commission thus constituted.(Hear, hear!) It must be borne in mind,` that we had to deal with the jurisdiction of a Court depending on no jmmemoral usage. Yet it was under the dominion of such a Court that the whole property of this country had been staggering for years past-"4. Attending Court all day, three petitions in the paper, but for how had it been created, and bow conducted? By the consciences of Priests and Lawyers; and who would deny the fact, that such was a very sandy foundation? He knew not what report the Commissioners would make, if they ever made any; but he would tell them, that any report which limited its power of inquiry to the mere fringe, skirts, and rind of the question, would only have the effect of producing, through the influ ence of public opinion, an essential and permanent reform in the process of that overwhelming jurisdiction. The moment the parties were brought into that most odious dungeon, the Court of Chancery, there they were imprisoned, at least detained, till all property was lost-life, he was about to say; for too frequently the very starvation to which the parties were reduced, too often produced that calamitous result. (Hear, hear!) Mr. W. alluded to the transfer of real property. As the proceedings now stood, the state of them was an absolute disgrace-a perfect sarcasm on the security of property and the administration of justice. Though you purchase an estate at an expense of 100,000l. you know not whether it be worth that sum in the contemplation of the law, or worth one farthing. That depended upon the opinion of a chosen few, not more than six, who were connected with the jurisdiction of the Court of Chan-time the first petition was presented, there were forty persons receiving a cery, and were arbiters of the landed property of the realm. It was confided to those few elect to decide whether a transfer of property was worth a hundred thousand pounds or a farthing. It was such a sys: tem as this, affecting the most essential interests of the country, that those who profited by it expected-vainly, he trusted-would be tolerated in an enlightened and inquisitive community. They had heard of the power of a court of equity to stay proceedings. But in addition to other branches, that court embraced a decision, or what was called a decision, on specific bills and injunctions. These might be considered in the light of additional fungi attached to that very dangerous excrescence which had grown in modern times upon the cuticle of jurisprudence. There would remain another matter of inquiry; he meant the exclusion altogether of causes of bankruptcy from the Court of Chancery. Never was there a court worse calculated for the purpose. It remained for him now to state the nature of the petitions which he should have the honour to present. The first was from Mr. Samuel Palmer, one of the Church wardens of Newington; a man of most unquestionable honour. The circumstances detailed in the petition were as follow:-In 1568 a grant was made by the Lord of the Manor of Walworth of a piece of land, with its rents and profits, to the overseers of Newington. In August, 1820, the trustees filed a petition, in consequence of the great increase of the value of the property, praying that an account might be taken and directions given as to its further disposal. This cause came before the Vice-Chancellor in 1820, who referred it to the Master. It was heard by the Master, and in two years and four months the report was made, by which the jurisdiction was taken from the overseers and given to the trustees. Petitions were then filed before the Lord Chancellor on both sides, in 1823, and the matter was frequently brought before the Court, but was not decided up to this moment. The petition proceeded-"That by the bills of costs up to Easter, it appears, that in December, 1824, being nine months after the said petitioners were heard, application was made to his lordship on behalf of the trustees, to pronounce his judgment, when his Lordship appointed the 4th of December for that purpose, on which day bis Lordship mentioned the petitions, and appointed the 6th of December to give his judgment. That in the bill of costs your petitioner observes the following items, viz.

"December 6, 1824. Attending Court, when the Lord Chan-
cellor went partially into the matter, and requested to be
furnished with the repealed Local Act, which he said he
would read, and give his judgment to-morrow
"7. Attending Court all day, when bis Lordship said he had
to leave early, but would not fail giving his judgment to-
morrow morning....

"8. Attending Court all day, when the Lord Chancellor
adverted to the question of jurisdiction, which he desired to
be again spoken to, and requested that the Dean and Chap-
ter of Canterbury should attend him, and appointed Satur-
day next for that purpose

"11. Attending Court all day, when Mr. Shadwell applied, on the part of the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, to let the petition stand over, and the same was ordered till the 1st seal before Hilary Term, to give the Dean and Chapter an opportunity of considering what course they should take............ “January 11, 1825. Attending Court, when Mr. Shadwell stated he was not prepared to go on, and the Lord Chancellor ordered the same to stand for this day fortnight, peremptory.......

"25 Attending Court all day, three petitions in the paper, but some not called on

"26. The like attendance this day "27. The like attendance this day 28. The like attendance this day

"29. Attending Court, three petitions in the paper, some called on and ordered to stand for Tuesday next, for the Dean and

relief of 10l. a year from this charity. That nine of the forty persons have died since the first petition was presented, and those who survive are the only persons now benefitted by the charity, as no new objects have been appointed since that petition was presented, nor can any be apThat the surplus rents of this pointed until his Lordship gives judgment. charity estate, after paying the several existing objects, have accumulated, during the time the petitions have been pending, to the sum of 1,2731. 17s.9d. part of which, viz. 7007. have been invested by the trustees in Exchequer bills, and the whole sum of 1,273l. 17s. 9d. now remains unappropriated, although there is a great number of fit objects who ought to receive the relief, and many of them, in consequence of the delay, have been obliged to apply for parochial relief, and are, in consequence, rendered legally incapable of receiving the benefits of the charity."-The next petition was that of William Honywood Yate, a gentleman who, though now in embarrassed circumstances, claimed several valuable estates in Hereford, Gloucester, and Worcester, but from any legal prosecution of such claims he was impeded by the inability to meet the expense. The next case was that of Mr. Gammow, an individual who was entitled to an annuity of 300/. The estate of under the will of the late Duke of Queensberry. that noble Duke was thrown into Chancery in 1800, and the petitioner alleged that for seven years from that period he never received a single shilling of the annuity, although there were ample funds in the court to pay all that were entitled. The next petition was from Mr. Gourlay, who attributed all his misfortunes to his having been unfortunately a suitor in the Court of Chancery. The next case was comprehended in the petition of Mr. Joseph Estcourt, at present a prisoner in the Fleet, who declared himself to be 71 years of age and upwards. He stated himself to have been imprisoned for a contempt, in not having answered certain interrogatories. He had been now a prisoner upwards of two years and five months. He declared himself to be wholly ignorant of the nature and effect of those interrogatories, or of the refusal to abide by the order of the Court. He had trusted to the knowledge of a man of the name of Brown, who was a co-defendant. That confidence was misplaced, and petitioner was brought up by a special messenger, at an expense of 50l. to the Fleet. From that contempt he could not be relieved until he paid the expenses, to defray which he was wholly unable. Thus dragged away from his family and connections, he declared that he would have perished for want, but for the humane interposition of the Warden of the Fleet, whose name he (Mr. Williams) regretted he did not recollect, as such an instance of humanity ought not to be overlooked. (Many Members called out " Mr. Brown.") In cases of this kind, proceeding out of the Court of Chancery, there was no inquiry whether the alleged contempt proceeded from ignorance or obstinacy. The remaining case was that of the Tunbridge cha200rity. It was a cause brought by the Attorney-General against the Skinners' Company. Seven thousand pounds a year was the amount of the estate, which was to be applied to the purposes of education. All parties had been agreed upon applying a certain portion of these rents to found exbibitions in the Universities for individuals educated in the school; what then was the result of this delay? That a whole generation had been defrauded of the benefits arising from that charity, and another generation was starting into life probably with the same prospect. (Hear, hear!) If by any chance 7,000l. got into the Court of Chancery, its fangs were fastened upon it. If it was money, the individuals of that Court fattened upon it. If it was life, they fed upon it. When Hudibras tried, by all means direct or indirect by correspondence, affectionate and menacing-by amatory proceedings of every character, to win the heart of an yclept widow: his 'Squire, seeing that all other devices failed, recommended the expedient of a suit in Chancery to conquer all her objections, and bring her wholly to his will. But the widow, woman like, was determined to meet the "general 1 10 0 camp, pioneers and all,”-rather than be plunged in the pollution of a 1 10 0 Chancery suit. (Hear, hear, hear!) To the House of Commons alone the country looked for an effective change in such a system. Was this 1 10 0 state of things worthy of the state of information in the country? He took leave to answer that it was not-that it was a disgrace to England to be behind every neighbouring country in the expedition, the intelligent

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and cheap administration of law. (Hear!) Ministers ought to be ashamed of longer allowing the subject to remain in its present state. (Hear!) The King of Bavaria had very recently introduced into his realm a very general penal code, In a neighbouring country, also, not long since, reigned a man of singular qualities, and still more singular fortunes, who, though like Cæsar, nimium assueverat militaribus ingeniis, yet found time, while engaged in the conquest of the world, to frame a system and a code of laws, which would remain an ever-living monument of his glory, and would be remembered when his victories were forgotten. (Hear, hear!) The experiment had been tried, and had succeeded in France, and the late and great Ruler of that country had left his code as the best legacy to posterity. Whatever might be asserted by lawyers, puffing the craft by which they lived, he would assert that the great body of the people of England, the growing information, the march of intellect, the glorious progress of art and science among them, demanded that some effectual remedy should be applied to the evil. Mr. J SMITH said, that in commercial dealings it was well known to be a common threat on the part of a debtor, that he would file a bill, and it not unfrequently happened that an honest claim was defeated by the apprehension thus excited. A case illustrating this point had occurred to himself. He had lent an individual 4,500l. upon the bond of A. B. a respectable and wealthy person, and that bond became payable in eighteen months. When application was made for the money, the reply was, that the grantor of the bond would not pay more than 4,000/ because only in such a sum was he indebted to the grantee. He (Mr. Smith) consulted his solicitor, who told him that the state of the accounts was nothing to him, and that he was entitled to the whole 4,500l. Accordingly, he had again applied to A. B. for payment of the bond, and being refused, he had threatened an action. The reply was, that if he (Mr. Smith) commenced an action, the grantor of the bond would throw the whole into Chancery. This threat had occasioned so much alarm, that he (Mr. Smith) had again resorted to his legal adviser, who recommended him to relinquish his just claim rather than run the risk of a Chancery suit, as the solicitor's bill would, in all probability, amount to more than the 500l. in dispute. (Hear!) He put it to the House, whether it was not notoriously true, that no man could enter the Court of Chancery who was not prepared to expend a large sum of money; so that, in fact, it was only open to the opulent. He fully concurred in what the Honourable Gentleman had said regarding the Code Napoleon, which would long be remembered, or rather would never be forgotten. The law might not be as purely administered in France, but justice was obtained ten times or perhaps twenty times as cheaply and expeditiously.

Mr. ELLICE said, that the property vested in the Court of Chancery amounted to thirty-four or thirty-five millions, nearly as much as the whole floating capital of the country. In a case in which he was personally concerned, he was required to make an affidavit for the satisfaction of the Court. His affidavit was deemed inadmissible, and his succeeding attempts were equally abortive. The point was of little importance, but after the Court had refused to admit five successive affidavits, it at last was satisfied with that which was first made! The property in dispute was about 1,5001. and the expenses of litigation amounted to between 300l. and 400/. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL noticed the five petitions before the House. The House, he said, ought to be aware, that cases as often stood over for the accommodation of Counsel as for the convenience of Judges. Delays were often the result of petitions being badly got up by Solicitors. The Commission of Enquiry consisted of Gentlemen of unquestionable talents, of great application, and of undoubted integrity. It was impossible for his Learned Friend to say whether the labours of the Commission were or were not adequate to the object for which it had been appointed, until the report was made. He did not wish to intimate any thing disrespectful to his Honourable and Learned Friend, but he must say, that sufficient unto the day was the evil thereof. With respect to the four petitions, he pledged himself to prove, to the satisfaction of the House, that four more unfair, deceitful, false, fabricated, fallacious, and deceptive petitions, had never been laid on the table of the House.

Dr. LUSHINGTON, as a Member of the Commission, declared that it was the anxious desire of all the Commissioners to fulfil their duties with as much expedition as the nature of their own avocations and the difficulty of the undertaking admitted. He was anxious, however, that the House should not expect from the Commission more than it could possibly effect. The Commissioners had no power to enquire whether the present system of jurisdiction which prevailed in the Court of Chancery was right or wrong. (Hear!) Their enquiry was confined to an examination of the practice in the Court from the commencement of a suit until it was brought to a final bearing, and to ascertain whether any branches of the present jurisdiction of the Court might be advantageously taken away, and attached to other Courts. It was impossible, he thought, that with common honesty, reasonable diligence, and ordinary understanding, the radical defects of the resent system might not be altered and amended.

Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, the present Commission was a mere sop to muse the people; nothing but the active and determined interference of that House could afford a remedy for the grievance. (Hear, hear!) In his view of the matter, the Court of Chancery was the greatest evil and the greatest curse the country had to bear.

Mr. Secretary PEEL denied that any inference could be drawn unfavourable to full enquiry, from the nature of the Commission. He held the conscience of a lawyer in higher estimation than the Learned Gentleman, and he thought an honourable minded man was better qualified for being

a Member of such a Commission because he was a lawyer. He was satisfied with the importance of attending to the reform of our criminal law; he was convinced that great reforms might be made, and he was only anxious that the most effectual mode might be adopted. Mr. HUMB thought it would be in vain to expect any reform in the Court of Chancery while its sinecures remained.

Mr. BROUGHAM regretted that the Commission had not made any report, but he should wrong himself if he stated that he expected any good from that Commission. The question is, whether the abuse lies in the conduct of John Lord Eldon, or in the system; and who pray is to decide? Why, John Lord Eldon! (A laugh). And, most truly, no man knows better than he where the fault lies, if he wish to speak; but when he and the Commission, of which he is the head, remain silent an entire year, to say that I entertain any hopes from their proceedings, would be to treat the House of Commons with a degree of levity at variance with the gravity they deserve. (Cheers.) In the olden time, there was a certain Bishop of Rome, who adjudged that he should be burnt. He was inwardly moved, it is said, with the enormity of his crimes, his manifold offences, his delays of justice-(A laugh-the claims of his fellow men, which he had suppressed, the tortures he had inflicted; and in the anguish of his mind, he exclaimed, “ Indico me cremari." The sentence was executed; for history informs us that "Indicatus fuit, crematus fuit, et sanctus fuit." (Much laughter). Now, I much doubt (said Mr. B.) whether the Noble and Learned Lord would not have certain conscientious scruples against following the example of a Pope of Rome. (A laugh). Nothing, I persuade myself, but the hope of a subsequent sanctification could prevail upon him to adopt the precedent; and even with this flattering prospect before his eyes, his interest in the estate for life being superior to his love of country and the purification of his own soul, might not induce him to sacrifice the reversion. (Much cheering and laughter.)

Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS observed, that he had still stronger cases to produce than he had yet brought forward. The petitions were then laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.

HOURS OF LABOUR.

On the motion of Mr. HOBHOUSE, the House went into a Committee on the Cotton Mills Regulation Bill.

Mr. HOBHOUSE then said, that at the suggestion of others he had been induced to alter a little his original purpose. It was his intention to reduce the hours in the day which children were compelled to work in cottonmills; and when he found that no person in any robust employment, nor even those persons who, having incurred the penalties of the law, were sentenced to hard labour, were compelled to work for so many hours, it grieved him to find that any opposition at all should be given to a proposition so reasonable and so unanswerable, that children should not be forced to work in cotton mills for more than eleven hours out of the twentyfour. (Hear!) Perhaps the better course would be to state at once to the House what the object of the bill was. Within the last few days, be had taken the trouble of inquiring the number of hours that men worked at other trades, and he found the following to be the fact the machinemakers work ten hours and a half per day; moulders of the machinery 10, house carpenters and cabinet-makers 103; bricklayers, blacksmiths, millwrights, &e. none of them work more than ten hours and a half per day; and some of them, in winter, only eight and a half. (Hear!) An allusion had been made to the persons employed in the silk trade, but the two were widely different, although he found that they did not work for more than eleven hours; and there was one circumstance which deserved to be remembered, which distinguished cotton-manufacturers from all others, namely, the high state of the temperature, and the variations of heat and cold. (Hear!) An objection had been thrown out, that in cases of this description it was ridiculous to legislate. It had been said, "Will you not let the mothers regulate their children?" He remembered having read a similar argument against the abolition of the slave trade; but did not the House legislate? What he should propose was, that the children should work for five days in the week, twelve hours a day, and how any man could have the face to ask for an extension, he could not understand. On the Saturday, he should propose to curtail the hours of labour still farther, by taking off three hours, in order to enable the poor children to wash and repair their clothes, and prepare for the repose of the Sabbath. He was happy to state that this measure had the concurrence of Mr. Holdsworth, and 32 other manufacturers.

Mr. JOHN SMITH expressed his regret that the hours were not eleven instead of twelve; and instanced the case of one of the most respectable and influential cotton-spinners in the country-he meant Mr. Owen; he, from motives of humanity, reduced the hours to ten and a half a day, and such was the effect of his kindness, that the children working for ten hours had done infinitely more work than before. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by alluding to the condition of the children in the flax mills, which he contended to be just as bad as those in cotton mills.

Mr. HUSKISSON thought that the general principle should be, to leave all trades free between the labourer and the master; but, as Parliament had already interfered, he did not see any objection to the present measure.

Mr. W. SMITH did not think that the labour of the children at Manchester was a bit more free than that of the slaves in the West Indies, and he thought that, as to quantum of work, the children were the worst off of the two.

Mr. PEEL thought that the most important point in the bill was that which empowered the magistrates to interfere.

After further conversation, the bill was reported with amendments.

Thursday, June 2.

Mr. W.4. WHITBREAD presented a petition from the proprietors and promotes of the Oil Gas Company, complaining of the manner in which (after m expense of 30,0001.) their bill had been thrown out in the Committre. Mr. W. contended, that the conduct of private committees in general was full of injustice, and that it dissatisfied the public.-After some conversation, in which several Members spoke of the scandalous conduct of those Hon. Gentlemen who had defeated many projects of public utility because their own personal interests were opposed to them, -Mr. S. W. WHITBREAD gave notice of a motion on the subject, unless it was taken up by Mr. Brougham.

IGNORANT MAGISTRATES.

Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from Mr. Bayes, of Cambridge, attorney, complaining of the ignorance of the Magistrates who presided at quarter sessions. The petitioner said, that the excellent manner in which the Magistrates of Middlesex and Westminster performed their duties was a perfect contrast to the slovenly manner in which the Magistrates in the different counties of England performed theirs. Instead of being persons well acquainted with the law, many of them were arbitrary and fox-hunting persous (a laugh)—men given up to spiritual rather than to temporal concerns-surgeons, apothecaries, and, in short, anything but lawyers. (A laugh.) He therefore prayed, that before their appointment, they should in future undergo an examination. The petition was laid upon the table.-Mr. BROUGHAM, in moving that it be printed, said, that he understood that his Hon. Friend, the Member for Westminster, denied that arbitrary and fox-hunting principles went together. Perhaps his Hon. Friend would like to be heard by the House on the subject. Sir F. BURDETT shook his head, but said nothing.-The petition was ordered to be printed.

FREE DISCUSSION.

Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from Richard Carlile, and six other individuals. The petitioners stated, that they had been prosecuted, and were immured in different prisons for not being Christians according to the forms of the Established Church, and for stating their reasons why they were not so; and they prayed that the House would rescind the various sentences which had been passed against them, and admit them to the same toleration that was enjoyed by other Dissenters. No one who knew him (Mr. Brougham) would suppose that he was inclined to patronize any species of indecent ribaldry against the received doctrines of the country. He considered such ribaldry to be a crime in itself, and to be the very worst mode which could be adopted to propagate any kind of opinions. At the same time, he thought that if the petitioners had taken a bad way to attack the religion of the country, it was incumbent upon us not to take a bad way to defend it; and the worst of all possible ways would be to inflict severer punishment than their offences required. He could conceive no harm likely to accrue to religion from free discussion; and that until the mode of discussion became so offensive as to excite against it the feelings of almost every man in the country, prosecutions for blasphemy were among the very worst methods of defending religion. Mr. PEEL concurred with Mr. Brougham that prosecutions should not be instituted on the score of religious opinions, so long as those opinions were expressed in fair and temperate language; but he contend. ed, that as soon as they vented themselves in scurrilous attacks on established institutions, they deserved the attention of the civil authorities. He maintained that the libels published by Carlile and his fellowpetitioners were revolting to the feelings of every moral man in the country, and were therefore properly selected for prosecution.

Mr. MONCK ridiculed the idea of defending religion by prosecuting blasphemy.

Sir F. BURDETT contended, that all prosecutions for religious opinions were inexpedient. It was agreed on all hands that religious opinions ought to be tolerated so long as they were expressed in temperate language; but it was now argued that as soon as those opinions were so expressed as to disgust every honest mind, then they ought to be visited with punishment. It appeared to him that under such circumstances they ought not to be noticed, because, if they were so poisonous as was represented, they carried along with them their own antidote. (Hear!) Mr. W. SMITH and Lord BINNING severally made a few observationsthe one in favour, the other in condemnation of the prayer of the petition. The petition was then laid upon the table.

Mr. BROUGHAM, in moving that it be printed, said, that so far was the punishment inflicted on these petitioners from having put down publications of this character, that they were now sold openly in all parts of the town. (Hear!) He pointed out the glaring inconsistency of denying to the poor the right of reading any discussion upon Christianity, and of allowing to the rich the privilege of having in their libraries the works of Gibbon, Voltaire, &c.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL defended the course which had been pursued by the law-officers of the Crown with regard to these petitioners. The petition was then ordered to be printed. TAXES ON THE PRESS.

Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from Mr. Giffard, a bookseller, of Paternoster-row, praying that the House would give greater means of circulation to the cheap publications on science, philosophy, and literature, by diminishing the duty on printing paper-by reducing the excessive tax on advertisements by lowering the exorbitant duty on newspapers, and by allowing periodical publications to be conveyed by the post to all parts of the empire, on payment of a moderate sum for the postage, not exceeding the amount of 25 per cent. on the value of the article transmitted.-Laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.

Mr. HUMB presented a petition from 7,950 inhabitants of Nottingham and its vicinity, against a renewal of the combination laws.-Ordered to be printed.

FOREIGN CORN.

Mr. WODEHOUSE brought forward a motion, the object of which was to obtain further information respecting the prices of foreign corn; which was agreed to.

THE BUBBLE ACT.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to repeal that part of the Bubble Act which applies to Joint-stock Companies. The effect of the Learned Gentleman's proposition will be, to remove the penalties which stand in the way of those great commercial combinations which are the main spring of all national wealth, and at the same time to protect the public, by making every individual member of a Joint Company liable to the full amount of his property. Instead, too, of the infinite number of statutes now necessary (for every Company requires a separate act), one statute will serve for all; for a Charter will be granted on all bona fide applications, on the sole condition of the liability of the applicants to the general clause of the bill now in progress.

JUDGES' SALARIES.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in a Committee, proposed that the 500l. taken from the salaries of the Puisne Judges should be added to their retired allowances, and that these should be increased to 31007. a-year. At present, he said, the retired allowance of a Puisne Judge was 26004. He also proposed 3,3001. for the retired allowance of the Vice-Chancellor. He proposed the same sum for the Master of the Rolls. The retired allowance of the Chief Justice was now 3,8001. and he thought it but fair and reasonable to raise it to 4000/. the same which the Lord Chancellor now had. With regard to the fees that were now to cease being taken by the Judges, they were to be carried to the Consolidated Fund. A conversation arose. Mr. J. WILLIAMS thought the proposed allowances on retirement were too small; and he moved an amendment, that the retired allowance of a Puisne Judge be 3,500l. instead of 3,100%. a year. This motion was carried, and so was a resolution, granting a retired allowance of 3,750l. to the Master of the Rolls, Vice-Chancellor, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, and Chief Baron. ROYAL ANNUITIES.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the second reading of the Duchess of Kent's Annuity Bill.

Mr. LEICESTER said, that if this bill was as respectful to her Royal Highness as it ought to be, instead of granting 6,000l. a year for the education of her daughter, it would grant 4,000l. or 5,000l. distinctly and substantially to herself, and 1,000l. or 2,000l. to her daughter. The Bill was then read a second time.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the second reading of the Duke of Cumberland's Annuity Bill.

The SPEAKER put the question, that this bill be now read a second time. The Noes seemed to predominate. The House divided-For the second reading, 59-Against it, 48-Majority, 11-The bill was then read a second time.

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[The proceedings on the above bill were curious. A debate was fully expected; and many Members paired off to go home to their dinners, &c. agreeing to return by ten o'clock, thinking that they should then be in time for the division. About nine, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the second reading. Nobody rose to oppose it; whereupon a division was called for. The gallery was ordered to be cleared for a division; and the doors of the House, according to the usual custom when a division is about to take place, were locked. There is a "division bell," which is rung as a notification to those Members who may be in the neighbourhood; but as the Serjeant at Arms forgot to call out "clear the gallery," which gives warning for the ringing, the said bell was not rung. Thus the doors were locked, and excluded many Members. Six Members, however, got into the lobby, but as the door of the House was locked, they could not get in. They complained of this exclusion, and were let in. The fact was communicated to the House, and some debate took place, but strangers were still excluded; and the six Members were brought out of the House, previously to any division, into the Speaker's Secretary's room, and kept excluded till the division was over. The House then divided :-On the locked out. They had run from the Coffee-house, hoping to get in before the locking of the doors, but they were too late. Had the division bell rung as it ought to have done, those Members would have been in the House at the division. Many of these were Opposition Members; and it was said that a considerable majority of them would have voted against the bill.]

Mr. HUME wished the Right Hon. Secretary would answer him one question was not this country the only country in Europe where individuals were imprisoned for religious opinions? If our prisons continued to be filled with individuals suffering for religious opinions, Eng-outside of the lobby, there were between twenty and thirty Members land would succeed to the vacant post of Inquisitor-general for Europe, than which he could conceive nothing more derogatory to its interests and honour. (Hear!)

Mr. PEEL declared it was quite ridiculous to talk of the prisons being filled with sufferers for religious opinions, when there were not more than eleven persons confined for blasphemous publications.

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